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    jumps/rollers at walnut creek

    This rain better keep up so the dirt will be soft for digging, building, and packing on Sunday !

    Glad to see the work on the bmx rollers (aka "whoop dee doos" if you're old school). Whoever's working on those, I'm down to help out.

    But, one suggestion: don't dig dirt from next to the trail. It creates a moon crater appearance which could piss off PARKS people or random hikers etc. They get more annoyed with pits and holes than they do with 'mounds.' Dig back in the woods, fill a wheelbarrow, then bring it over. I'm thinking of buying a wheelbarrow to bring out there, or if I can find a cheap used one, I could lock it to a tree and leave it for anyone to use as needed.

    later yall,
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    ps i took a few pictures. they are at www geocities.com/upsetbmx/walnutcreek/ you need to fill in the period after the www's because this page wouldn't let me post a url.

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    The jumps add a bit more fun to the loop, but the placement of most of them is questionable. The worst one is the first one. You come around the corner, and there it is. You can't get much speed up before hitting it.

    Are you guys coordinating with Mark H. on these jumps? Just curious....

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    cmc: I too appreciate fun and reasonable trail features, but I do have a couple comments. I'm not affiliated with anybody except "mountain bikers in general" so I can what's on my mind, unlike D who has to temper it since he's an actual representative of sorts.

    a) if this building is going on w/o coordination with Mark Henneke and/or the Parks management, please stop and get talking. Unauthorized mods like this can and have gotten trails closed. Permanently.

    b) like D said, the placement of a couple of them is very suspect and should be consdered to be moved. The two I have issue with are the one that is right after a turn, like D noted, and a latter one just before the sharp left - there's no runout to slow down enough before the turn, at least safely, in my opinion.

    c) do NOT dig in the park without clearance of the proper authorities, anywhere.

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    Please don't take these jumps to the level of things that were put up elsewhere ... Walnut Creek is not the park for it (yet), certainly not on an established trail where people are expecting a certain level of trail. I think with the proper desire and commitment, putting in a new section somewhere with the significant jumps and stuff, you could get a supported and officially maintained rythmn (sp?) section going and everybody could be happy.

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    Thanks for the input, guys. I know this is a 100% mountain bike park, and I fully coordinated with the trail boss Mark H. Everybody agrees that the goal is to have something fun for everybody, and it is not to build anything challenging or dangerous that would appeal only to BMX- or "Freeride MTB"-oriented riders.



    1) Mark's group put in everything that you see now, including the two awesome berms. All I did was add a little to one of the mounds (I won't even call it a jump) that was already there. Keep in mind, these "jumps" if you can even call them that, are probably no more than 9 inches tall, some only half that. They are fully rollable. There is no gap to clear. There is no lip to launch you. Anyone who can ride a bike can literally roll over these even smoother than rolling over the natural dips, roots, and rocks that are already out there. These are nothing to be afraid of.

    They are not "placed" badly and they do not need to be moved. If a trail had a tight turn, would you say the trail should be re-routed? If there was a large tree root, would you call the City to come take it out? No. Part of the point of mountain biking is to adjust/adapt to the terrain. These really are TINY little mounds of dirt--I woudn't even call them jumps. Take two deep breaths, work on your bike control, and figure out a way to flow through there. I have seen loads of riders fly through there and come out with a big smile on their face. I'm not trying to be lame, but COME ON dude.

    Anyway, I respect the argument that maybe MTB'ers don't want any artificial tech stuff at all. That's fine. But that's different than saying "move the rollers back 10 feet, or spaced more, because I don't feel comfortable." If you want to come out and build with Mark H. then by all means bring it up then.

    By the way, there is a technique I'd be happy to show you for rolling over a bump at high speed. It's called 'rolling' a jump and it means you pick up your front wheel before you hit the roller and drop it on the back side of the roller.


    2) I will not be building more jumps out there. I have a vision of a cross-country mtb-bmx park with an amazing variety of small/easy/medium/hard berms, turns, jumps, bumps, gaps, etc. but I realize that I will have to get rich, buy my own ranch and do it on my own property. I'll be happy to help Mark H. with the berms, trail maintenance, etc. at Walnut, but don't worry, I won't start any new jumps.

    3) I agree with you that digging on public property is very touchy and has to be coordinated with the Parks people. No issue there.

    4) Everybody I talked to on the trail out there REALLY likes what's there. There were a lot of positive comments. It really would be sad if a few people complaining got the few tiny mounds of dirt taken down. But I do respect everybody's right to ride the trail, so if the consensus is that these little rollers are too challenging, then so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmc
    They are not "placed" badly and they do not need to be moved. If a trail had a tight turn, would you say the trail should be re-routed? If there was a large tree root, would you call the City to come take it out? No. Part of the point of mountain biking is to adjust/adapt to the terrain. These really are TINY little mounds of dirt--I woudn't even call them jumps. Take two deep breaths, work on your bike control, and figure out a way to flow through there. I have seen loads of riders fly through there and come out with a big smile on their face. I'm not trying to be lame, but COME ON dude.
    Getting a wee bit defensive, don't ya think? Calm down a little. I was offering soem constructive criticism as a profesional trail builder.


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    By the way, there is a technique I'd be happy to show you for rolling over a bump at high speed. It's called 'rolling' a jump and it means you pick up your front wheel before you hit the roller and drop it on the back side of the roller.
    I got all the skills I need for the Nut. I get bored pretty easily out there. And I know the basic skill to which you are referring.

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    4) Everybody I talked to on the trail out there REALLY likes what's there. There were a lot of positive comments. It really would be sad if a few people complaining got the few tiny mounds of dirt taken down. But I do respect everybody's right to ride the trail, so if the consensus is that these little rollers are too challenging, then so be it.
    As far as complaining, I can see how you would read my post as being that. However, I meant it as an oberservation and to help you out. I know someone who was asked to help out on those jumps, and when he gave his advice, it wasn't taken, particularly in regard to the first jump. I'm all about flow. Simply put, that fist jump is poorly placed.

    Now, as far as technical goes, let's go ride together one of these days and find some of the technical fun stuff. If you like technical, you should try the Goodwater Trail. I have a couple of cool man-made technical trail features (stunts, as you call them) that I could show you. One's a little skinny bridge over a downed tree. One is a 8-12" skinny along a downed tree about four feet off the ground. I LIKE technical stuff, particularly when it flows well.

    Peace.

    D

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    I especially dig the berm that ends straight into a tree.

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    So yeah, I did get defensive. I guess when you grow up building bmx spots (and skateboarding spots etc) there's this whole saga of somebody not being happy and the spot gets torn down--all your work and ideas undone. So I thought 'here we go again.'

    But, no, you guys are cool and know what's up. This is YOUR bulletin board anyway. If anyone knows how to delete a posting or a thread, go ahead and do it. I'm not trying to start any silly bulletin board drama. I'd much rather just ride and talk with everybody in real life.

    See yall on the trail.

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    So Todd, are you an ol' school freestyler? I recognize that "Blatant lofter of jive" quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmc
    So Todd, are you an ol' school freestyler? I recognize that "Blatant lofter of jive" quote.
    ClubHomeboy.....loft it. Did some freestyle stuff and racing too.

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    Honestly, the improvements to the "bmx" loop are great. I could nit pick but the bottom line is the overall ride has improved. The more build the better if you ask me.

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    The most important part

    The most important thing we need to remember is to thank Mark H. and his volunteers who keep this trail up for us. It is hugely appreciated

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    Went out to the trails - enjoyed the them a ton. Thanks to whoever did anything for these trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by just riding along
    I especially dig the berm that ends straight into a tree.
    I got the change to ride up at WC for the first time in months this weekend and finally rode some of these new features. Most were tons of fun even though I am far from a BMX / dirt jumper kind of rider. I must admit though, the large left-hand berm in the upper trails that is mentioned above, scared the crap out of me. I thought I was gonna eat sh*t for sure when I saw that tree right where I wanted my exit line to be.

    The rest was a lot of fun though. Thanks to all of those involved in the changes (improvements?). I just need more practice on it to know the right lines and get my rythm. I've only ridden WC like 4-5 times total, ever.

    Ian

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    You gotta check out this page on pump tracks. This is what my vision is for WC !!?? Anyone else? Mark, we gotta talk.

    leelikesbikes*.*com/Stories/010405/

    (remove the asterisks)

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    dang. almost 10 years ago.
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