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    MoJo Mother Superior notyal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    ^ pretty much! I don't know how bad off that poor bird actually is, but I also don't want to see every square inch of the region covered in strip malls and McMansions.
    You're only saying that because you are not a wealthy land developer. Their kids have to eat too you know.
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    caviar isn't cheap!

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    I still think that the BCP folks should reach out to recreational land users out there and find a common ground where we can all encourage responsible development. I know that we can turn all the reserve lands into sweet single track. However, BCP HAS to recognize that having people (bikers, hikers, etc) on your side as opposed to against you has to be a better approach than going it alone. As I'm sure several posts on this thread will point out. They've made no friends in our community and many would sooner see them run out of town at the expense of building more storage lots on the land than allow them to keep things fenced off from EVERYONE.
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    ^thank you. the bird huggers, bless their hearts, can't win this fight on their own.

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    It's all politics..always has been..the diff now is that there's a new sheriff so we'll what the US Wildlife dept does now..logics would say the GCW will soon be taken off the list follows by many more years of litigation..the best outcome would be to strip BCP of their nazi powers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tree magnet View Post
    I still think that the BCP folks should reach out to recreational land users out there and find a common ground where we can all encourage responsible development. I know that we can turn all the reserve lands into sweet single track. However, BCP HAS to recognize that having people (bikers, hikers, etc) on your side as opposed to against you has to be a better approach than going it alone. As I'm sure several posts on this thread will point out. They've made no friends in our community and many would sooner see them run out of town at the expense of building more storage lots on the land than allow them to keep things fenced off from EVERYONE.
    That's a fool me twice shame on me non-starter. They got the bond issue passed to start the bcp by going to all these outdoor groups and promising to set the land aside for EVERYONE to use. Ink wasn't dry before they booted everyone but birders out.

    Hell they even came to us to help do maintenance about 5 years later with zip in access in return. WTF kinda asshole kicks you out then ask for your help.

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    As someone with relatively little knowledge of how this all happened, the most irritating part is the National Wildlife Refuge system allows all sorts of recreational access. Why wouldn't they allow this at the BC Refuge? The BCCP seems to be a seperate thing, but that whole Refuge near the Lake is massive and they allow hunting but not MTB?

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    Golden-cheeked warbler endangered no more! Environmentalists pout rather than celebrate successful recovery of bird species in Texas | Fox News

    Apparently it worked.

    We hike in their frequently, the months it is actually open (the dark ones). The two trails in there are nice but there are fences and barbed wire everywhere, completely unnecessary. Sad that they could just do what they want with no proof/evidence and it gets shut down for close to 20 years, and maybe longer (apparently the houses built on Jester Mountain didn't bother the birds either).

    We shall see what happens but the iron is hot.

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    "The successful recovery of the warbler species brought to light by this lawsuit represents a victory for conservation, yet the knee-jerk response in opposition from radical environmental groups calls into question whether these persons and groups actually support the ESA’s purpose of recovery."

    I had a ring side seat to the deals that 3M and Lakeline Mall had to cut with these environmental bastards back in the early 90s. It was crystal clear then that their primary interest was power, control, and money.
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