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    Good Bye Reveille Peak Ranch

    i road Reveille Peak Ranch this past weekend.

    There's a new fucktard bulldozer "Endurance" trail that cuts through all the significant trails. Huge piles of dirt of debris everywhere.

    Upper Loop and Inner Loop have faded back into the landscape.

    i'm going to miss riding there.

    Reveille Peak Ranch opens endurance loop for cyclists, runners


    Reveille Peak Ranch opens endurance trail

    A few years ago, I found myself grinding up a sandpapery expanse of granite at Reveille Peak Ranch, moaning a little as I hopped on and off my mountain bike to navigate the potentially rib-cracking terrain.

    Steep, rugged, able to shear the skin right off your kneecap at the slightest provocation, the ranchs twisty trails have garnered comparisons to the slick rock trails of Moab, Utah. For cyclists like me, though, that swept a lot of the terrain into the unrideable category. Im just not a skilled enough athlete.

    But now Ive got options.

    Vol Montgomery, who opened this mountain biking and trail running mecca in 2009, recently cut what he calls a 26-mile endurance loop that snakes its way around the 1,300-acre ranch outside of Burnet in the Texas Hill Country. The pathway offers cyclists and trail runners a long loop where they can ramble among wildflower-scattered granite outcroppings.

    Not that its an easy route. The trail a corridor 10 to 12 feet wide with a single track down the center features something like 5,000 feet of climbing, Montgomery says. That makes it perfect for endurance athletes who want to test their fitness mettle by logging long, heart-pumping sessions.

    It unfurls fast and flowy in some sections, steep and grinding in others. But none of it is so technical that a beginner cant ride it. And its beautiful. Chunks of pearl-colored quartz shimmer in the sunlight; lumpy rock formations stand sentinel. From the top of Decision Point, a detour off the new loop, you can see all the way to Buchanan and Inks lakes, which glint far below.

    In Austin, mountain bikers can weave through the ledgey, limestone trails of the Barton Creek greenbelt or tackle the smoother, shady, root-studded loops of Walnut Creek Metropolitan Park. Reveille Peak Ranch offers up more than 60 miles of trail and a whole new palette of terrain.

    Its not quite Enchanted Rock, but parts of the ranch come close.

    The views and the terrain are so different than what youre used to seeing with all the limestone around Austin, Montgomery says.

    Another advantage? Montgomery created the trails here to drain quickly, and the rock gets gritty, rather than slippery, when it rains. That means things rarely close due to mud or standing water.

    Paul Carrozza, a running coach and founder of the now-defunct RunTex stores in Austin, told Montgomery long ago that what the ranch needed was a wide, accessible path similar to the one around Lady Bird Lake.

    He said there was an enormous group of runners who wanted to trail run but did not want to expose themselves to the risk of injury with technical trails, Montgomery says. He also said that with growing regulations and expense of running events in the city of Austin, the demand for a runner-friendly endurance trail in a rural environment would grow.

    Montgomery balked at first but, after getting input from others in the cycling and running world, began to see the advantages. The ranch had gotten incredible reviews about its trails over the years but never landed any major races. A wide new trail could help bring in more events.

    Crews started building the endurance trail last September.

    It allows people to enjoy the ranch and the Hill Country, but not at risk of turning an ankle or tripping and breaking a wrist, Carrozza says. It opens it up so people can open the outdoors without worrying about injury.

    Montgomery named the trail Carrozza Boulevard, a nod to the man who helped him envision the new trail and connected him to principals in the Austin running community.

    (Carrozza) did more to help me gain knowledge of the fitness industry, meet potential race directors and unselfishly introduced me to anyone he could who could potentially help me get my business up and off the ground, Montgomery says.

    Others in the Austin fitness community are excited about the trail, too. Its wide enough that riders can safely pass one another, making it an ideal place to stage races.

    Beto Boggiano, owner of Pure Austin Fitness, thinks the trail could become a qualifying course for longer running and cycling races around the country.

    Its hard to find something (in Central Texas) that gives you the elevation training, and thats what this trail is going to be really good for, Boggiano says. It really simulates a lot of climbing, with quick recovery, steep climbs and some longer sections that give you a nice low-twitch burn, but nothing thats going to get boring. When you have to do two, three or four laps, its not mundane. Almost anybody can do the loop, and if you want it challenging, do it twice.

    That means me, and Im always up for a scramble through the rock-, root- and cactus-studded glory of Texas Hill Country, whether its in trail running shoes or on two knobby wheels. And especially when Im not constantly worried about falling down and getting hurt.

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    Yes time before last I went there: wow, that race loop is pretty bad at least there are still the black trails...

    Last time I was there (2-3 weeks ago) : I rode RPR loop and the first creek crossing was bulldozed so I had to use mtbproject to pick up the trail again. Then the end of that trail ends at a huge ass crater I can only imagine their making into a water hole or something. I couldn't even find the upper loop even with mtbproject. Race loop and the RPR Jeep road trail back to the pavilion were all but bulldozed away that day too. I actually named that Strava ride RIP RPR.

    I probably will only go there when it's raining as a last resort destination honestly.

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    With all the room out there you would think they could have done this differently. Shame.
    Taking advice from Carrozza? That dude was a tool and screwed alot of people


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cafeend View Post
    With all the room out there you would think they could have done this differently. Shame.
    Taking advice from Carrozza? That dude was a tool and screwed alot of people


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    Yea, like a fucking trail around the perimeter and leave all the single track alone.
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    Terrible, damn. Expected better from Pam L. too, totally not getting what made rpr cool for mtb. Sounds like a total screwing of the natural beauty of the place, too....
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    Trail runner want to run a trail, not a "...technical feature free path...". Total BS but it's his land and he can do what he damn well pleases. He will just have to do it without my $10 entry fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tree magnet View Post
    Trail runner want to run a trail, not a "...technical feature free path...". Total BS but it's his land and he can do what he damn well pleases. He will just have to do it without my $10 entry fee.
    I honestly think this is to cater to the OCR crowd and esp the events which obviously have to be making him a ton more money they MTB. Why the hell else would a 12 ft wide corridor be wanted with nothing more than beginner level tech? Sounds like he's just building more Jeep roads.

    Didn't he get volunteers to build the majority or trail or was it paid? Kinda of a slap in the face to those volunteers if that was the case.




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    Man, that whole article reads like someone who wants to be riding a hybrid around town lake. Don't call yourself a mtn biker if you're afraid you might fall down - and don't call yourself a trail runner if you're concerned about twisting an ankle.

    I'm going to hold out hope that attention has been focused on the endurance trail and now maybe they will go back and get the singletrack in order again. The trails out there were delightful for exactly the reasons Pam didn't like them.
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    I was riding out there in February when they were bull dozing this. I was so pissed. You think its bad now, you should have been there then before they burned any of the downed trees. You could see the areas where they had completely missed the flagging for where the trail was supposed to go and took out ancient trees. That's a bunch of Bull they took careful consideration for drainage. There are some spots where it crosses race loop on the back half where it is going to have significant erosion issues because they literally bulldozed over a creek with no culvert. The water is going to hit that berm and turn down the jeep road and completely wash it out with giant ruts over the next few years. I have kept my mouth shut because I talk to the guy out there and he was very positive about how they were going to "do it right" and "how great it was going to be." I told my wife that the amount of damage would take a full time crew working 50 hours a week for 4 months just to handle the earth and trees that were moved and downed while creating the path. We had to hike a bike for 4 miles, I have never cursed that much on a bike ride before.


    Beginner loop and Flow track were the saving grace of the trip. We hit two quick laps on that after the miserable trip around race loop. If I make it back (which lets be honest will only be while its raining in Austin) I guess I will do Beginner loop, upper, superD
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    Unfortunately there are several issues going on out there, that have necessitated some new trails and reroutes. The ranch owner is in plan B mode for sure, doing his best to keep the mountain bike portion of the ranch open and accessible. In the very new future, plan on not entering the trails from the pavilion. We will be coming in from the other side of the ranch, near the quarry.

    Right now, he has new staff that was just hired a few weeks ago, and his main purpose is going to be trail maintenance and marking. As one can imagine with over 1300 acres and a butt load of trails and roads, that is no small feat.

    Yes he has added a couple of retention pounds along the creek. Trails will have to rerouted to avoid them entirely. Once again, takes time.

    Please be patient, Vol is doing everything he can to keep the mountain bike trails up and running. As one of the best places to ride in central TX, we don't want to loose this place.
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    Wink Warning: Vitriol ahead

    Man, I hope you guys are being alarmists. If they've really fucked that trail up as badly as everyone is saying, man, what a loss. That place was absolutely goddamn magic. I know that several of the guys here (CharDog?) put incredible amounts of blood, sweat and tears into it. I get that when you put work in on someone else's patch they have every right to rip it up, but who is going to put the effort into that ranch AGAIN knowing the likely outcome?

    I can't believe I'm saying it, but maybe building on park/public land is the way to go. Sure, it's a huge PITA to get it approved and the glacial nature of the process of working with local, state or federal bureaucracy is it's own level of hell but I don't see the city of austin driving a goddamn bulldozer through BCGB anytime soon. I don't see Parks deciding that they need to crush Wookie way so some Houston based-tard can come up and do some ridiculous Spartan bullshit 'race'.

    And, I'm here to tell you that Reveille Peak was perfectly fit for endurance races. Terra Firma put one on every.fuckin.year and the ATX100k put on one of the harshest things the planet has ever seen out there. Maybe that article should swap out the word 'endurance' for the phrase 'shit that pussies like to do so they can tell their friends (even when their friends already know they fuckin' suck and wish they'd fucking stop calling all-goddamn-ready)'.

    If you're fucking soft enough that you can't handle riding or running on fucking granite that grips like you're glued to it, you're too fucking soft to call yourself an athlete. In fact, you're too fucking soft to do anything other than fuck right off.

    Catering to the lowest common denominator is complete bullshit, and the boys out at Reveille should know better.
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    When I was last there (I have been afraid to go back and it was tmbra series anyway) all of the open granite miles of race loop were fine. After you cross the creek that gets deep, things started to get shitty.

    The path cuts back and forwards across the trail throughout all of the wooded section. In some section it deoes it in an angle in such a way that you cannot find the continuation of the trail unless you really know where to go. Think Walnut - Log loop after the construction. There were no less than 15 instances of this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by rugger View Post
    Didn't he get volunteers to build the majority or trail or was it paid? Kinda of a slap in the face to those volunteers if that was the case.
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    I put in hundreds of hours on the initial 16 miles of single track. I don't think I want to go out there for fear I will be heart broken.
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    At least it is private property and Chainsaws can be used. I think 10-15 strong people with about 8 chainsaws could have a big impact on clearing the 3 miles that need the most work. The re-signage of the trail to connect is another matter and hopefully they will manage it.

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    This is really disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSarge View Post
    Man, that whole article reads like someone who wants to be riding a hybrid around town lake. Don't call yourself a mtn biker if you're afraid you might fall down - and don't call yourself a trail runner if you're concerned about twisting an ankle.

    I'm going to hold out hope that attention has been focused on the endurance trail and now maybe they will go back and get the singletrack in order again. The trails out there were delightful for exactly the reasons Pam didn't like them.
    Trails all over the country are just like this, even colorado or southern california. Most XC trails around the country have zero tech, but lots of climbing. IMBA standards essentially call for exactly those kinds of trails. Im pretty sure this kind of trail is the definition of XC mountain biking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyt View Post
    IMBA standards essentially call for exactly those kinds of trails.
    This is a common misconception. A trail can both be technical and sustainable. The very technical stuff I designed at RPR was both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyt View Post
    Trails all over the country are just like this, even colorado or southern california. Most XC trails around the country have zero tech, but lots of climbing. IMBA standards essentially call for exactly those kinds of trails. Im pretty sure this kind of trail is the definition of XC mountain biking.
    I disagree completely. Some people read the IMBA trail guide and think trails cannot be more the 10% grade. It does say that in the book but they were referring to trails on some soil types. We have asked about the maximum grade on solid rock. The official IMBA answer was "No Limit on solid rock. The trail can go straight up or down."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chardog View Post
    I put in hundreds of hours on the initial 16 miles of single track. I don't think I want to go out there for fear I will be heart broken.
    I can relate to this statement. For those who know the amount of personal time I put into building and maintaining trail at Rocky Hill Ranch over about a ten year span. Ever since the land owner started gravel mining out there, each time I visit I see some new place where more trail has been damaged, or, the solitude of riding through the forest has been erased and replaced with a moonscape inches from the edge of the trail.

    This is probably the single biggest factor in my not riding so much any more. I moved to where I live specifically due to RHR being near. I loved that place and put a lot of my heart into it. Seeing these kinds of changes to a brilliant riding area is heartbreaking.

    Having put some time in helping build trail at Reveille Peak I can share in everyone's feelings when a landowner makes decisions without knowledge or consideration of the factors necessary to maintain well designed trail.

    My heartfelt condolences to everyone who have built or enjoyed trails that have been altered due to a land owner's short-sighted vision.
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    I saw the work a few months ago and thought they were putting in a track for dirt bikes and quads..I can't believe they screwed up a beautiful trail for runners and bikes..dumb asses..the name gives it away..friggin Aggies can screw up a wet dream..

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