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    APD Ticketing Cyclists

    Just saw this on Facebook and thought I would share. Follow the rules.



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    Good. I'm glad they're doing it. I wish more depts would do the same.

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    APD Ticketing Cyclists

    Its not too hard to stop at a stop sign and still haul ass.

    Unless you are on a road bike and can't track stand....

    In all seriousness. I live on a bike lane and it is absolutely unreal that people refuse to obey the stop signs. I know I am going to watch someone get plowed one day.

    Now if only they could write tickets to all of the cops who run stop signs downtown.


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    I used to commute along Shoal Creek and stopped at stop signs. One day, a lady on a road bike pedalled up next to me just before a stop sign and literally said, " lets ride through it together." She proceded to blow the stop sign, violating cross-traffic, like an idiot, while I stopped, waited my turn, and went on my way. Eejits!
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    Half the time when I stop a signs, it confuses the shit out of cars that roll up to the sign as I sit there doing a trackstand. Waiting my turn to pedal off. Strange.
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    I have gotten that too. Motorists are so accustomed to cyclists ignoring basic traffic rules that they are baffled when a cyclist is not a jackass.
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    During the EB I was pretty much the last person to enter the greenbelt since I was the only one that stopped at all the stop signs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    I have gotten that too. Motorists are so accustomed to cyclists ignoring basic traffic rules that they are baffled when a cyclist is not a jackass.
    I am always stopping and getting a big waive from Cars to go ahead as I track stand anyway. Some of my friends that ride road pedals try to avoid stop signs at all costs because they cant comfortably get in and out of pedals quickly. I suspect this could play a very small part?

    Reading Facebook posts after cyclists deaths and injuries on the news is pretty horrendous. I've had to stop looking at the comments in other cities due to the number of blanket "had it coming" "they never stop" and "hold up traffic" posts. I am not sure that people understand the level of ill will they are creating by saving themselves 30 seconds and a few watts.

    As a mountain biker, the acceleration from a stop is much better for training.
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    Can't track stand??? Pull up next to the sign and hold the pole. Or...just put your foot on the ground. It's very easy. As a motorist, these bike riders scare the crap out of me and as a biker myself, they make me cringe. I may not trail ride near as much as most of y'all, but I've got a ton of in town riding under my pedals. There's certain standards that need to be maintained to keep yourself self.

    I don't really care about myself when I ride. I worry more about the bike or having to pay body damage on someone's car.

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    If there are no cars at, or approaching, an intersection, it is moronic for a cyclist to have to stop at stop signs. Cyclists should be allowed to treat STOP signs as YIELD signs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop

    Should California allow cyclists to roll through stop signs? Let's give it a try
    Should California allow cyclists to roll through stop signs? Let's give it a try - LA Times

    Bill to let bicyclists roll through stop signs gains speed, but there are roadblocks ahead ? The Denver Post

    MythBusters Tackles Four-Way Stop V. Roundabout Traffic Throughput
    https://nextstl.com/2013/10/mythbust...ic-throughput/
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyt View Post
    During the EB I was pretty much the last person to enter the greenbelt since I was the only one that stopped at all the stop signs.
    I remember my first EB when that massive pack of riders would blow through stop signs and sometimes roll stop lights. I couldn't believe it and stopped at every one putting me at the back of the pack by the time we got to the greenbelt. My pace would have put me there anyway so I wasn't upset about it but it did have me wondering. Was it cool because there was a huge pack of riders? Was it okay because it was so early that it was still dark and traffic was super light? I actually thought we had a police escort at one time?!
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    What cmc said. I usually stop but sometimes it is useless and frustrating. Especially at night with no one around. Certain intersections should be yieldable. We all do it. Lets not kidd ourselves. I usually wave riders ahead and its safer and keeps traffic rolling smoother. A run away bike cant do much damage and its in the riders best interest to avoid collisions anyway.
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    Yep. Every stop sign or light is a trackstand practice and sprint opportunity.

    Can I be the guy that says cars are just as bad...or maybe even more because the cars weigh 15 to 30 times as much as I do?

    Honestly...I ride a lot in my neighborhood (and so do a lot of people that don't live here), and it pisses me off to see both cars and bikes blow through stop signs. Cyclists at the top of the hill then at the bottom of the hill, cars on intersecting streets...they approach the stop sign assuming they will roll through when there is a steep hill to their left and with cars and cyclists speeding down (cops recorded speeds: average 38mph, as high as 51mph over a few days on a 30mph residential street). The bikes I see roll through or blow through are not going out of turn, or just mindlessly blow through them without having visibility of approaching cars...so it's not like you see maybe downtown, but it pisses me off because my anti-bike curmudgeonly neighbors will probably only remember them, and not me stopping at every stop sign and I get lumped with them.

    Don't forget about intersections with triggered lights that don't trigger for bikes and no crosswalk. I think it's OK to treat these as a broken stop light. Stop, yield, proceed. In fact, when I've called 311 to report these intersections, that's what I was told could be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioGG View Post
    . . . The bikes I see roll through or blow through are not going out of turn, or just mindlessly blow through them without having visibility of approaching cars...so it's not like you see maybe downtown, but it pisses me off because my anti-bike curmudgeonly neighbors will probably only remember them, and not me stopping at every stop sign and I get lumped with them.
    . . . .

    Agree. I think most drivers who complain about "bikes blowing through stop signs" are doing it out of some type of resentfulness. "Why is HE allowed to do that?!"

    Some of the comments under this article are awful:

    Bicyclist hit-and-run in Tennessee caught on video; school administrator arrested | Fox News

    I don't really buy the argument that cyclist behavior causes drivers' bad attitudes towards cyclists. I think that if every cyclist obeyed the law exactly, drivers would still hate us.

    There's something deeply psychological going on when people control a 2 ton steel bubble:

    The psychology of road rage: Driving makes you angry, anonymous, and emotionally tone-deaf.

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    I think that if every cyclist obeyed the law exactly, drivers would still hate us.

    There's something deeply psychological going on when people control a 2 ton steel bubble...

    ^^THIS! ^^
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    It's an extra training opportunity to me. Stop, then give it 3-5 cranks to get back to full speed in a big gear. Otherwise, you're a cheater cheater pumpkin eater.

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    If we want to coexist and share respect with others we have to follow the rules. I drive, ride and, cycle. I understand all three, and know idiots that do all three. I'm recovering from being rear-ended on a Ducati Superbike. I'm giving up motorcycles and road bikes. Mountain only now. I hope that people have more reasons to like me than dislike me.

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    It's kind of funny. On my commute (6ish miles), I stop at all the stop signs along the way. I regularly see cars roll stop signs, gun it on yellow/red lights, and people in the driver seat texting. But no, only cyclists break the law!

    I do also notice that drivers tend to be nicer when I'm obviously commuting (backpack or panniers, normal-ish clothes, etc) rather than just out for a ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fontarin View Post
    It's kind of funny. On my commute (6ish miles), I stop at all the stop signs along the way. I regularly see cars roll stop signs, gun it on yellow/red lights, and people in the driver seat texting. But no, only cyclists break the law!
    Yes! It's my observation as well. Sometimes I'll actually start counting how many cars don't break the laws. It's easier to count the ones that follow the laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by fontarin View Post
    I do also notice that drivers tend to be nicer when I'm obviously commuting (backpack or panniers, normal-ish clothes, etc) rather than just out for a ride.
    Yep. Also riding MTB on the road gets better treatment vs road bike.

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    as for being conscientious, it's truly bad form when car passes then stops ahead of you at stop sign. you then blow thru sign requiring driver to again pass u. it's dangerous and a hassle for driver and that's when i think drivers build resentment.

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