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    New Surly Bike, Real Basic Question

    So there's the Bridge Club. Touring, blah, bikepacking, blah, whatever. My burning question - and I am not even in the market for one, but I have to ask: Are there two frame options? Look at this picture on Surly's site. WTF? Am I missing something obvious? Is there a completely different Surly model offered in "Diving Board Blue"?

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    I think the Bridge Club is the one on the right, with the big triangle frame bag.
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    Just different sizes, no?

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    And some of the smaller frame sizes use smaller wheels on the same model...

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    Same bike, different sized frames.
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    Is anyone else stoked to see non-suspension corrected "MTBs" again?
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    Stoked- yes. But I don't know why. I've ridden a rigid bike most of the time for years, so a bike built around an unsuspended fork sounds like a good idea ... for some reason. Since I only own one mountain bike and
    I want suspension some of the time, I need that flexibility though.

    What advantages does non-suspension correction have? Does a fork with longer legs inherently offer more compliance?
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    Different size frames? Those are two different bikes! The frame angles are completely different. On the one on the left, the top tube is close to horizontal. On the one on the right, the top tube is at like a 30* angle. It looks like a dirt jumper compared to the one on the left.

    Now, granted, I am not used to seeing, say, the XS and the XL versions of a bike side-by-side, but if I did see such an arrangement, I would expect the frames to favor each other. IMHO, these frames are nearly completely dissimilar.

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    The top tube on the bigger bike is horizontal because the seat tube is longer. The lower top tube on the smaller bike is lower because the seat tube is shorter. If you look at ANY two bikes of the same model in different sizes, you'll notice the same pattern. If the angles look different, it's mostly an optical illusion, although the angles among different sizes might be slightly different based on toe overlap, expected rider size.

    Is this a troll thread? Seriously.

    Email surly and ask them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    Stoked- yes. But I don't know why. I've ridden a rigid bike most of the time for years, so a bike built around an unsuspended fork sounds like a good idea ... for some reason. Since I only own one mountain bike and
    I want suspension some of the time, I need that flexibility though.

    What advantages does non-suspension correction have? Does a fork with longer legs inherently offer more compliance?
    A. It looks better, IMO.
    B. More frame bag space.

    Seems like companies tend to limit tire clearance on "hybrids" to keep them limited in usage. Stoked to see a hybrid that don't give a fug.

    Actually am currently more stoked on the Salsa Journeyman, but want a flat bar version with a carbon fork, which Salsa doesn't make, cuz it's a 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    The top tube on the bigger bike is horizontal because the seat tube is longer. The lower top tube on the smaller bike is lower because the seat tube is shorter. If you look at ANY two bikes of the same model in different sizes, you'll notice the same pattern. If the angles look different, it's mostly an optical illusion, although the angles among different sizes might be slightly different based on toe overlap, expected rider size.

    Is this a troll thread? Seriously.

    Email surly and ask them.
    Thanks for the explanation - as I mentioned, I am not used to seeing different frame sizes of the same bike side by side, so the contrast surprised me.

    No, this is not a Troll thread. It is a Bridge Club thread. Don't you read? :-)

    I chose to ask Mojo instead of emailing Surly because I figured I'd get a faster response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTheCatLady View Post

    No, this is not a Troll thread. It is a Bridge Club thread. Don't you read? :-)
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    Almost all bikes in Small frames look much cooler and more like DJs.

    You usually have Top tubes that run smoothly into the seat stays.

    I am surprised that Surley did not do a bend in the seat tube to keep the STA close to the same. Its probably cost and less issues with running a super long seatpost that went into that design of the (XL?) frame.

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    If you watch the video on the Surly site, you'll notice that those same two bikes are featured with their riders - A large man and a small woman. You'll also notice that they do, in fact, cross a bridge. However, they were the only people on that bridge, so it must be a pretty exclusive club.
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    They had to cross that bridge to avoid the Troll, which the Bridge Club is replacing.
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