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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioGG View Post
    Thanks for posting that! Fascinating, and especially so because Austin seems to be at the tip of the e-thing spear. I noticed I have a "GET OFF MY LAWN" attitude about e-things, like when I got passed in a bike lane by a guy on a motorized skate board, or when someone on a roadie style e-bike passed me on the Shoal Creek sidewalk. It wasn't so much that she was on an e-bike, but that it was totally silent and going fast, so no audible cues that someone was passing until she was RIGHT THERE beside me.

    However, I know I need to get over myself on this issue, because every person on an e-thing is taking a car off the road. As the article that Antonio GG posted notes:

    The National Association of City Transportation Officials (NACTO) estimates that 7,500 bikes can pass through a single 10-foot lane in an hour, compared to between 600 and 1,600 cars. (Presumably, even more scooters could fit through that lane.)
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    I have generally not had a get off my lawn attitude on the e-bikes but I do agree that it is annoying when they pass you at high speed silently. At least roadies generally say "on your left" when they pass you. My general experience with e-bikes is that those people don't appear to be riders, so they tend to not understand the rules/courtesies of the road. My impression is that they are drivers, so they think that they can act like a car, except when they want to act like a bike. It's the downfall of western society, along with Purell.
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    We saw an older (mid to late 60s) guy riding one on the monarch crest trail a few weeks ago..it didn’t bother me like it did a few It Our group but I think they should be viewed and restricted like other motorized vehicles w regards to trails..but I do want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartman View Post
    We saw an older (mid to late 60s) guy riding one on the monarch crest trail a few weeks ago..it didn’t bother me like it did a few It Our group but I think they should be viewed and restricted like other motorized vehicles w regards to trails..but I do want one.
    Monarch Crest was built by moto riders - e-bikes and motor cycles are allowed on it. Not the CT, just Monarch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAF View Post
    Monarch Crest was built by moto riders - e-bikes and motor cycles are allowed on it. Not the CT, just Monarch.
    Yeah that’s what I told them..I believe it’s the same for Greens, Agate, Foose & Rainbow..

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    I had an email from someone who heard a rumor that PARD was considering closing ALL trails to ALL bikes due to the E-bike issue. I have now confirmed with PARD that that is not now and has not been under consideration. There is no intention of closing existing trails to Non-motorized bikes.

    The did put out the reminder that motorized bikes (e-bikes) are prohibited from trails EXCEPT for Emma Long Motorcycle Trail. That would include Lady Bird Lake Hike & Bike Trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cxagent View Post
    I had an email from someone who heard a rumor that PARD was considering closing ALL trails to ALL bikes due to the E-bike issue. I have now confirmed with PARD that that is not now and has not been under consideration. There is no intention of closing existing trails to Non-motorized bikes.
    That's a pretty ridiculous rumor.

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    Just heard on NPR driving home that PARD is going to start enforcing the no E-things on trails ordnance with ticketing, but they are also putting up signs. I hope these are BIG signs, and not the usual pathetic little universally ignored signs.

    Then the Bike Austin lady gave a statement about how awful the ban is, that e-bikes aren't any faster than regular bikes and maybe slower and how awful it would be if she got a ticket for just trying to get home from work, presumably riding an e-bike on a trail.

    In other news, a new company dropped another zillion e-bikes in Austin today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    Just heard on NPR driving home that PARD is going to start enforcing the no E-things on trails ordnance with ticketing, but they are also putting up signs. I hope these are BIG signs, and not the usual pathetic little universally ignored signs.

    Then the Bike Austin lady gave a statement about how awful the ban is, that e-bikes aren't any faster than regular bikes and maybe slower and how awful it would be if she got a ticket for just trying to get home from work, presumably riding an e-bike on a trail.

    In other news, a new company dropped another zillion e-bikes in Austin today.
    No wait -

    It is July second.

    Not April Fools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    Just heard on NPR driving home that PARD is going to start enforcing the no E-things on trails ordnance with ticketing, but they are also putting up signs. I hope these are BIG signs, and not the usual pathetic little universally ignored signs.

    Then the Bike Austin lady gave a statement about how awful the ban is, that e-bikes aren't any faster than regular bikes and maybe slower and how awful it would be if she got a ticket for just trying to get home from work, presumably riding an e-bike on a trail.

    In other news, a new company dropped another zillion e-bikes in Austin today.
    The Bike Austin lady needs to understand that Bike Austin and e-Bike Austin should probably be 2 different groups. e-bikes are neither fish nor foul, they are not *really* bikes and they are not *really* cars. Not sure which group they really belong to, but the idea that the bike Austin lady is going to be riding one on town lake is comical because it basically says that she does not understand the complexity of the issue.

    That is my prediction, we are a long way from settled on this issue and it is not going to get better - as a matter of fact it will get worse before it gets better. The first fatality of a pedestrian from an e-bike is going to be the wakeup call. It will be some bonewipe doing 30+ on an e-bike that doesn't yield to a pedestrian and kills them. It is coming. And when it does happen, we're ALL going to be under the microscope. If you think cars want us off the roads, just wait until they have that to point to as an argument. It is all coming. And it will be the end of civil society. Mark my words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Bike View Post
    basically says that she does not understand the complexity of the issue..
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    Isn’t that the SOP for liberals? Not understanding the complexity of the issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Bike View Post
    That is my prediction, we are a long way from settled on this issue and it is not going to get better - as a matter of fact it will get worse before it gets better. The first fatality of a pedestrian from an e-bike is going to be the wakeup call. It will be some bonewipe doing 30+ on an e-bike that doesn't yield to a pedestrian and kills them. It is coming. And when it does happen, we're ALL going to be under the microscope. If you think cars want us off the roads, just wait until they have that to point to as an argument. It is all coming. And it will be the end of civil society. Mark my words.
    All good points, AB and I agree 100%. High potential for this scenario as well: inexperienced people on e-bikes going too fast, no helmet = more accidents with brain injuries, possibly death.

    Uber dropped a bunch of ebikes in Austin yesterday. If Uber thinks it can make more money if people can ride their ebikes on trails and paths, they will f*ck local control and regulations; they already have a well trodden and successful "path" direct to the Texas legislature with the ride hailing issue.

    Also, there are trails and there are paths. And there are natural surface paths, granite surface paths and there are paved paths. Unless PARD is extremely aggressive with their signage and I hope they will be, how is someone to know whether they are on a sidewalk or a paved path?

    And good luck keeping people on e-things off paved paths, like the Southern and Northern Walnut Creek Multi-Use Paths.

    I'll also add this. When I was in Atlanta in May, I used some of their Multi-Use Paths, which were much wider than the ones in Austin and easily accommodated hordes of people on foot, on bikes, pushing strollers, running, walking dogs, small children, etc. Now I'm wishing the Austin Multi-Use paths were built out wider -- 12 to 14 ft. Atlanta also has a vision to have a paved path system around the entire perimeter of the city and they are well on the way.
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    From my vantage point high above 6th and Lamar, I get to see all manner of e-goings-on. The latest is the millennia sailing gaily up and down 5th and 6th streets on electric scooters. No helmet, gay abandon, caution thrown to the winds - I mean, they are IN moving traffic. One bright young thing even had her micro-dog on board with her.

    I need to set up a video cam ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    Unless PARD is extremely aggressive with their signage
    Awe Baby, that’s so cute..I love sweet naive innocent baby dolls...in a fun taking advantage of them kind of way..lol ->kisses

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    Until this thread came up, I didn't even know about the e-thingies.

    Who's gonna be the first to e-KOM the HOL?

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    That actually happened here at Dana peak. This guy went out and got a bunch of KOMs on stuff and posted a picture of his new ebike on to the ride and ruffled a few feathers when they discovered what kind of bike he was on when he stole their koms. How could you even know these days if a segment was set on an ebike if you care about such things?

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    I'm not totally sold on this method, but it might be the case that the e-thingie companies should have their permit revoked after a certain number of user violations. That will at least get the companies to put a higher priority on educating their customers on the proper use of their equipment.

    I took my son riding around town lake last weekend and it was amusing watching all the hipster millennials trying to navigate their scooters along the path next to the Zilker train tracks on their way to Barton Springs while staring at their phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFROTHUND3R View Post
    That actually happened here at Dana peak. This guy went out and got a bunch of KOMs on stuff and posted a picture of his new ebike on to the ride and ruffled a few feathers when they discovered what kind of bike he was on when he stole their koms. How could you even know these days if a segment was set on an ebike if you care about such things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFROTHUND3R View Post
    That actually happened here at Dana peak. This guy went out and got a bunch of KOMs on stuff and posted a picture of his new ebike on to the ride and ruffled a few feathers when they discovered what kind of bike he was on when he stole their koms. How could you even know these days if a segment was set on an ebike if you care about such things?

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    I'm an avid e-dick measurer. I dont really see it as a problem currently. On the trails I ride, If you want a top ten, you are usually going to take it from a known State or national Champion. if it requires fitness, Or if it goes down, its pretty much all a cluster of the usual suspects.

    I could see how Folks in Lesser ridden trails with less traffic might be up in arms with the risk that they lose their KOM to a cheater.

    You can pretty easily tell if something is on the up and up. When a known Super fast Cat 1 local went out and did some funny business at walnut and took a bunch of long standing segments, It got flagged and removed pretty quickly. You could see the e doping b the speeds through sections that aren't possible.

    The only thing really at threat is probably some Uphill segments. I'd be interesting to see if anyone on a turbo Lev could Best Payson's time up the HOL when it was in much better shape. Said ride would get flagged so fast unless the account was just not connected to anyone .

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