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    local recommendations for footwear help

    recommendations for a shoe store or specialist who can analyze my gait/ shoe wear patterns? I get flareups of plantar fasciitis and metatarsalgia (both self-diagnosed) with some shoes on my right foot. I think tight hamstrings and calf muscles are partly to blame, as I can demonstrate that my right leg is much tighter than my left. I run occasionally but it comes with running or walking. I can't find suitable shoes for flat pedals to save my life. Five Tens and Vans might as well be made out of wood and Giro soles appear to be made out of a soft cheese.

    I am also hesitant to buy shoes and orthodic insoles that will serve as a crutch that does not solve and underlying problem. I am working with a PT right now, but he's focusing on a shoulder/ upper back issue that I have at the moment. hopefully I can get past that and get him to look at my lower half to sort all that out before insurance coverage times out on that.
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    Ready To Run up on Far West is great. Specialty Running Central - Ready To Run

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    Not sure if you'd like to consider this route... But back at the beginning of 2015 I had a back problem that caused me to suffer excruciating pain (I exaggerate not) and not be able to walk (bedridden) for two weeks. The back specialist, Dr. James Smith, told me he hates to cut but saw that as his only option... But... That if I was willing to try an alternative he had a chiropracter that he'd seen work miracles on a couple of his patients. Since a family member had back surgery and came out with just okay results, I opted to try the chiropractor. It took some time, and further suffering, but I was playing competition level squash again within six months, and haven't suffered anything since (normal old age stuff aside).

    This chiropractor is super careful... Using a mixture of acupunture, massage, stretch, and chiropractic procedures. And he will not be rushed.

    PM me if you want the chiropractor's info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidingAgain View Post

    PM me if you want the chiropractor's info.
    Good idea. I'm sure he would HATE it if you broadcasted to all of us that he did a great job. In all seriousness, thank you for not posting childish shit.

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    at this point, I am not in pain. I went to a chiro when I was in pain and I know how to deal with back pain now. it's just an annoying niggle in my foot that gets worse with time. I can tell by the asymmetric way the soles on my shoes wear out that I have issues that more likely have to do with the way I move. I suspect that fitting footwear that discourages that is half the battle.

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    I have also learned the truth of the old saying about "everything looks like a nail to someone holding a hammer." if you hurt and you ask a specialist, you'll find that whatever ails you will be cured by the specialty of the person you are asking. I learn what I can from each discipline and move on to find a slightly different angle.
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    Check this out, helped get rid of mine.

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    that video. holy shite I found some trigger points under that tibia bone. owwwww!
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    My wife works at Austin Trail Running Company off 183 by iFly. They have a specialist there on a regular basis that can observe your gait on their treadmill and give you and idea of what is going on. She specializes in orthotics for trail runners.
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    I have been to this Dr twice for Plantar Fasciitis, a broken bone and recently Morton's neuroma- Dr Prant has taken care of me each time. Hes a pretty odd dude but really looks at things like the way you walk and wear patterns to help solve issues.

    Arbor Foot Health Center - Dr. Gary Prant - Foot Doctor Austin, TX 78759
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjammin View Post
    Good idea. I'm sure he would HATE it if you broadcasted to all of us that he did a great job. In all seriousness, thank you for not posting childish shit.
    SMH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tree magnet View Post
    My wife works at Austin Trail Running Company off 183 by iFly. They have a specialist there on a regular basis that can observe your gait on their treadmill and give you and idea of what is going on. She specializes in orthotics for trail runners.
    I bought my Salomons there and love those shoes! I don't even have to wear my orthotics with them. She mentioned her husband is a MTBer and I wondered if I knew you.

    I didn't get gait analysis there but my PT Ross Vines at Seton Spine & Health recommended Ready to Run and made me some custom orthotics, he then wrote a Rx and I got my first pair of post-leg-break shoes at RTR.
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    Google "plantar fasciitis lacrosse ball," that's what worked for me. I had it really bad when I rode flats with Five Tens, and it hasn't been a problem with clippies. But that's a total n=1 anecdote.

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    I have a lacrosse ball and I have used to to work knots out of my shoulders. I'll look into using it on my feet. ICYMI, lacrosse balls are amazing tools for this kind of thing, and everyone should have one around.

    The Sock Doc videos have been helpful. I am always interested in how to heal troublesome issues in my body without resorting to drugs and "crutches" like orthotics and "special" shoes. I want to find ways to strengthen my body so that it works the way it has evolved to work. putting crutches on your body is usually a way to make up for a failure in the system, so that you become dependent on that crutch and can't function normally.

    the problem I see is that most shoes put you feet in awkward positions, then add a bunch of supportive structures that are supposed to fix the very problems they created. sitting at a desk all day and wearing shoes that hamper the natural function of your feet (raised heels, crushed toes) is not solved by a more comfortable chair and more comfortable shoes. it should be solved by moving around more and wearing less restrictive shoes. it seems like there are running shoes that do that well, but I wish I could find sneakers that I can ride in that don't shred to bits at the sight of a pedal.

    if you're interested, Katy Bowman has been a great author for me to understand this. she has lots of recommendations about general sneakers, but I can't find anything about cycling shoes from her perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    at this point, I am not in pain. I went to a chiro when I was in pain and I know how to deal with back pain now. it's just an annoying niggle in my foot that gets worse with time. I can tell by the asymmetric way the soles on my shoes wear out that I have issues that more likely have to do with the way I move. I suspect that fitting footwear that discourages that is half the battle.

    I have also learned the truth of the old saying about "everything looks like a nail to someone holding a hammer." if you hurt and you ask a specialist, you'll find that whatever ails you will be cured by the specialty of the person you are asking. I learn what I can from each discipline and move on to find a slightly different angle.
    One of the best things I ever did was stop wearing those shoes.

    Unless you are spending all day on those shoes, I dont believe you can make the case that they are better for you or your running.

    In cycling, the stiffer my shoes are, the less likely i am to have to deal with any signs of PF. Riding long at hard at night and then getting in bed and sleeping with your feet pointed out is also bad for those conditions as the calves heal shorter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJsnoozer View Post
    One of the best things I ever did was stop wearing those shoes.
    to clarify, what do you mean by "those shoes"?

    yeah- that is what I am looking for- relatively stiff shoes with flat soles for platform pedals that don't immediately shred to bits, and a wide toe box that does not crush my toes. that's a unicorn of a shoe, it seems. I have come to find that what makes a good cycling shoe, flat or clipped in, also makes a lousy running shoe or casual shoe. so I don't mind buying separate shoes for riding, if I can find one that fits me. I don't casually spend $100+ on anything, so if I am going to spend that much on some damn sneakers, they better fit.

    I rode SPDs for the first ten years of my mtb riding time, and I think that was a giant waste of time. I am having so much more fun riding platforms, riding faster and with more confidence than ever because of them, on a rigid (sometimes) singlespeed with a rigid post, no less. if SPDs work for most of you, that's fine. not for me at this point.

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    I actually had "those shoes." I even always wore minimalist flojo wicker flip flops.

    I was a trail runner long before I ever got on the bike. I used to pick my way up and down the HOL every day at lunch in those shoes. I actually rode the shoes you posted for my first 6 month on the bike on nylon flats before I went with SPD.

    No ones feet are "that" special. I wont get into how bizarrely shaped mine are and the challenges it presents, but I still find a way to make things work. I wear a wide Specialized shoe and it really doesnt start to fit well until its well broken in (500 miles)

    Foot problems are a big part of why I stopped running and could never really pile on the mileage. On a bike with the right shoe, I could ride for 10 hours with no pain. I broke a tublerosity in a half marathon and had broken or badly bruised heel when I slipped a pedal in a sprint across 620. After X-Rays, the Podiatrist recommended I start wearing the cushy shoes all the time and around the house since I have concrete floors. It made a massive difference in overall foot health. I still love to and go barefoot alot, but for impact activities, a traditional padded trail shoe helps a ton and improves my foot and knee health. Sure they dont feel as fast, but they are and my knees dont get bruised up if I want to go out and do a quick 4 mile run with the dog.

    Any time I pedal in a flexy shoe, I can feel the stretch in my foot that will lead to PF pain later that week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJsnoozer View Post
    I was a trail runner long before I ever got on the bike. I used to pick my way up and down the HOL every day at lunch in those shoes. I actually rode the shoes you posted for my first 6 month on the bike on nylon flats before I went with SPD.
    the NB Minimus have been my everyday casual shoes for a little over a year now. I absolutely can't stand anything that has a heel on it. I am looking to see what has a neutral heel-toe elevation but is not paper-thin. I also like to be able to spread my toes. I had some Solomon trail runners at one point. I went on a run and had to get my wife to pick me up a few miles from home because my ankles were bleeding when I took them off to figure out why they were hurting.

    I refuse to wear "dress shoes" because they were all designed by idiots who don't really look at feet. chafed, bruised, and blistered heels within an hour of wearing any of those.

    I've been riding in Giro and Five Ten SPD shoes, but since switching to flat pedals, I need to start all over. they are expensive and hard to find locally where i can try on a variety of them. I don't think Five Tens are wide enough for my toes and I doubt most of the other manufacturers are making anything that is much wider. FJ- since you understand the wide, minimalist shoe thing, do you know of anything that might fit like that for flat pedals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJsnoozer View Post
    I actually had "those shoes." I even always wore minimalist flojo wicker flip flops.

    I was a trail runner long before I ever got on the bike. I used to pick my way up and down the HOL every day at lunch in those shoes. I actually rode the shoes you posted for my first 6 month on the bike on nylon flats before I went with SPD.

    No ones feet are "that" special. I wont get into how bizarrely shaped mine are and the challenges it presents, but I still find a way to make things work. I wear a wide Specialized shoe and it really doesnt start to fit well until its well broken in (500 miles)

    Foot problems are a big part of why I stopped running and could never really pile on the mileage. On a bike with the right shoe, I could ride for 10 hours with no pain. I broke a tublerosity in a half marathon and had broken or badly bruised heel when I slipped a pedal in a sprint across 620. After X-Rays, the Podiatrist recommended I start wearing the cushy shoes all the time and around the house since I have concrete floors. It made a massive difference in overall foot health. I still love to and go barefoot alot, but for impact activities, a traditional padded trail shoe helps a ton and improves my foot and knee health. Sure they dont feel as fast, but they are and my knees dont get bruised up if I want to go out and do a quick 4 mile run with the dog.

    Any time I pedal in a flexy shoe, I can feel the stretch in my foot that will lead to PF pain later that week.

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    even when Im riding clipped in I drop my heels a bunch (like I would with flats). Im guessing that helps to stretch out my calves. Mainly it helps with foot numbness by reduce the straight down pressure on the ball of my foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBaron View Post
    Can I ask how old you are?

    -CJB
    I'm 35.

    I ran (never fast) and powerlifted in my 20s. In my 30s, after my dad died, I pulled his '99 hardrock out of the barn and gave it a go.

    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    the NB Minimus have been my everyday casual shoes for a little over a year now. I absolutely can't stand anything that has a heel on it. I am looking to see what has a neutral heel-toe elevation but is not paper-thin. I also like to be able to spread my toes. I had some Solomon trail runners at one point. I went on a run and had to get my wife to pick me up a few miles from home because my ankles were bleeding when I took them off to figure out why they were hurting.

    I refuse to wear "dress shoes" because they were all designed by idiots who don't really look at feet. chafed, bruised, and blistered heels within an hour of wearing any of those. that's just for casual and running shoes.

    I've been riding in Giro and Five Ten SPD shoes, but since switching to flat pedals, I need to start all over. they are expensive and hard to find locally where i can try on a variety of them. I don't think Five Tens are wide enough for my toes and I doubt most of the other manufacturers are making anything that is much wider. FJ- since you understand the wide, minimalist shoe thing, do you know of anything that might fit like that for flat pedals?
    Minimus was one of my favorite shoes. There isa cycling shoe that I saw that looked kind of like them but I dont recall the brand. I think it was actually Shimano.

    Maybe try on the Gr7 shimano and the Pearl Izumi X alp Launch. My pearl izumi had a massive toe box.

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