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    Monday Sept 3rd: LGT (unofficial) Dragonslayer pre-ride call

    I made this ride call last year back when this Dragon Slayer thing was a little-known curiosity of an event. Both this pre-ride and then actual event went so well that I figured I'd make an (unofficial) pre-ride call again. Last year we had 12 people show up, however this time, I'm suspecting the turnout may be much bigger. I'm planning to keep most everything the same from last year except the starting location (since the DS start location was change...I too will change this to be the same as DS)


    Location: Lake Georgetown Trail (LGT)
    Time: Monday, 8am meet, 8:15 rollout.
    Place: Russel Park parking lot, Georgetown
    Pace: Steady tempo for 2 clockwise laps

    Last year, I (many of us?) were uncertain about lap times and pacing. I think most of us have that figured out a bit by now. But if you don't, then this could be a good chance for you to work on it. As for myself, I plan to do a steady tempo for the 1st lap, then possibly pick it up a notch (or 2) for the second lap. This is pretty much how it went for the 4 of us in my 'group' last year. That being said, everyone is free to ride this ride how you choose. Below is a cut-n-paste from my 'ride guidance' from last year.

    Quote Originally Posted by CBaron View Post
    **PLEASE NOTE**

    I tried to elude to this in my OP ride call, but I want to restate it again for everyone's benefit. I don't consider this a "group ride" in the traditional sense of the word. I don't plan (for anyone) to wait on people, or hurdle up for a mechanical or group-change flat tires and such. The best way to think of this is as a solo ride, where you'll be leaving with probably 10 other riders. If we happen to set a similar pace then great. If not, no big deal. The comfort and camaraderie here is in partaking in the similar endeavors on Monday, not so much in riding hand-n-hand as a big group. My experience in open ride calls is that we will get a variety of skill levels, a variety of agendas and all sprinkled in with some random mechanicals. Therefore, I just want everyone to be on the same page when we start.

    All that being said, if you're interested in (pre) riding the trail on Monday, please come out! Forecast is showing great weather (71* @ 8am) and the chance of rain is fairly low. I'd bet that the trail should be in good shape by that time. And then the most important factor is that its 5 weeks out from the Dragonslayer ride. This makes it a critical window for building fitness in time for that event (which is the main reason I'm going to be out there). Additionally, its always good to get more trail data and bike setup info while out there (the 2nd reason I'll be there). If you have any questions or comments, please post up.

    Later,
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    Here is a link to the Mojo thread from last year's ride call: Monday Sept 4th: LGT (unofficial) Dragonslayer pre-ride call


    Once again, if you have any questions or comments, please post them up. I'm also attaching my Strava file from last year's ride in case anyone is interested.

    Strava File from last year:
    https://www.strava.com/activities/1168514299

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    In for sure.

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    "Last year, I (many of us?) were uncertain about lap times and pacing. I think most of us have that figured out a bit by now. But if you don't, then this could be a good chance for you to work on it. As for myself, I plan to do a steady tempo for the 1st lap, then possibly pick it up a notch (or 2) for the second lap. This is pretty much how it went for the 4 of us in my 'group' last year. That being said, everyone is free to ride this ride how you choose. Below is a cut-n-paste from my 'ride guidance' from last year."

    Last year 43 signed up for the triple. 18 finished. Most of the DNFs were due to riding the opening lap way to fast and/or trying to keep up with riders who were out of their league on fitness/speed. Those DNFs riders were fit enough to complete the triple with plenty of time to spare if they had better pacing. Cody's suggestion is good one: ride a few practice laps over time and get a feel for speed needed to stay at or under four hours. As you have 4:30:00 available per lap to include your pit stops, riding four hour laps or just under is plenty fast.

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    Good point Todd. I too was a casual victim to that first lap pace. I think some of it was because we were all blended together (1, 2 & 3 lappers) at the start. I think I ran about a 2:50 1st lap. But I realized the misstep, backed it down, and recovered during the 2nd lap by adding 20-25 min to the 2nd lap. Come to think of it...a good part of the event, is that its sooooo long that you *could* make a mistake but still have enough time to correct it/recover/and move on. You just have to have the self control to play the long game and be aware and fix it.


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    I got a late start out there and was destroyed by the heat. The distance isn't bad, but the elevation gain is about twice that of riding from Zilker to Hill of Life and back.

    I never really found the trail to have any flow, and I was having a really bad day from the start. Not sure I'll turn out for Dragonslayer but I definitely want a rematch when it's a bit cooler.

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    As the DFL finisher of the Dragonslayer last year, I'll throw out one piece of wisdom. 4:30 hours per lap seems like a long time but that includes riding AND stopping. Plan your between lap breaks wisely and don't screw around at the car too long. That first stop was no problem but that second one was a beast. Knowing that as soon as I closed the trunk I was signing up for another 27 miles of LGT was a mind f@ck.
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    I rode the loop yesterday and saw that it's getting a lot of traffic. I also noticed a few rocks in the tread dislodged seemingly to improve flow. These rocks were solidly embedded last time I saw them. I hope this doesn't indicate people trying to dumb down the trail too much... not that it'll drastically improve one's time if they were unable to ride those lines prior to the rocks being removed. I'm also seeing some lines that weren't there last year appear that improve the flow in places .

    Oh, and I would like to join the pre-ride but have to work. :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dburatti View Post
    I rode the loop yesterday and saw that it's getting a lot of traffic. I also noticed a few rocks in the tread dislodged seemingly to improve flow. These rocks were solidly embedded last time I saw them. I hope this doesn't indicate people trying to dumb down the trail too much... not that it'll drastically improve one's time if they were unable to ride those lines prior to the rocks being removed. I'm also seeing some lines that weren't there last year appear that improve the flow in places .
    The sanitation department has been hard at work out there since the spring. They (ARR) "improved" one of the more difficult climbs and made it stupid easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    The sanitation department has been hard at work out there since the spring. They (ARR) "improved" one of the more difficult climbs and made it stupid easy.
    First, thanks to ARR, you can actually ride a complete lap around Lake Georgetown. Previously you were only able to ride north of the lake. Considerable work had to be done to make the southern portion of the trail accessible to mountain bikes, and it took many hundreds of hours of volunteer work over a good period of time to make that happen.

    As for the "improved" climb you're complaining about, initially you had to get off your bike at the top of that climb and then ascend the rocks at the very top to continue. The trail to the right is a more recent addition, but it was still difficult to ride all the way to the top (especially considering the somewhat steep climb to get to that point). The recent changes to that area (and I was there for that work day) certainly made it less difficult, which was the intent. It's still not what I would consider "easy", much less "stupid easy".

    More power to you if you're such a great mountain biker that this doesn't pose a challenge to you at all. But at least now, others without your herculean talent have a chance of actually ascending the entire climb and continuing without having to get off the bike. Don't worry, there are still other areas of the trail that are plenty challenging, but you should enjoy them now before ARR gets to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtariAge View Post
    First, thanks to ARR, you can actually ride a complete lap around Lake Georgetown. Previously you were only able to ride north of the lake. Considerable work had to be done to make the southern portion of the trail accessible to mountain bikes, and it took many hundreds of hours of volunteer work over a good period of time to make that happen.
    I appreciate that. I was 1600 miles away during these events, but I certainly enjoy this and other ARR supported trails now. Hopefully my family's donation dollars will help ARR to advocate for this and other trails in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by AtariAge View Post
    As for the "improved" climb you're complaining about, initially you had to get off your bike at the top of that climb and then ascend the rocks at the very top to continue. The trail to the right is a more recent addition, but it was still difficult to ride all the way to the top (especially considering the somewhat steep climb to get to that point). The recent changes to that area (and I was there for that work day) certainly made it less difficult, which was the intent. It's still not what I would consider "easy", much less "stupid easy".
    We all have different standards. So far as I can tell, the new section has no challenge other than being steep--and it ain't even that very much. So as compared to the previous state of that section, my appraisal stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by AtariAge View Post
    More power to you if you're such a great mountain biker that this doesn't pose a challenge to you at all. But at least now, others without your herculean talent have a chance of actually ascending the entire climb and continuing without having to get off the bike.
    Sarcasm aside, this shows you didn't read my short "complaint" carefully enough. I stated that it was one of the more difficult climbs, I did not state that it didn't pose a challenge. Indeed, of my 18 (if my count is right) loops around the lake in the year I've lived here, I had only clean'd that section once. And it was the last time I got to do it before the sanitation. So I was quite looking forward to giving it my next try. So yeah, I was disappointed when I saw the sanitation department hard at work there on their Faceplace post.

    Quote Originally Posted by AtariAge View Post
    Don't worry, there are still other areas of the trail that are plenty challenging, but you should enjoy them now before ARR gets to them as well.
    Well that's a nightmare. What happened to 'walk it if you can't ride it?'

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    But never mind all that ^^^


    Who want's to join this Labor Day double loop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Well that's a nightmare. What happened to 'walk it if you can't ride it?'
    I was being sarcastic about ARR sanitizing everything at Lake Georgetown. That certainly is not their goal, but I do agree with the trail stewards about the work that was done on the one climb we're discussing. I'd guess the vast majority of people could not clear the top of that hill previously, and now it's a more attainable goal for strong intermediate riders.

    I don't think you're being fair by continually stating that this section was "sanitized". I'd say it was never really finished when that new section of trail was first cut. I'm glad you at least got to clean it once before it was changed, though. If something isn't rideable by the vast majority of people using the trail, then I'd say that's not a very well designed trail element. I'm sure there are many sections of the trail that you and I can ride without problems, but many people have to walk. Given the technical nature of Lake Georgetown, the bar is already somewhat high--it's not a trail for beginners. But most elements should be rideable by strong technical riders. There are a few other elements of this nature that will probably get addressed over time, although I think the focus will be to build additional singletrack to bypass more of the doubletrack on the north side.

    Please also keep in mind that one of the goals when we worked on the south section of trail was that the Army Corps of Engineers wanted to have 4x4 access to the entire trail via the available access points. Given that requirement, we did the best we could to keep the rugged nature of the trail without turning it into a highway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtariAge View Post
    I was being sarcastic about ARR sanitizing everything at Lake Georgetown. That certainly is not their goal, but I do agree with the trail stewards about the work that was done on the one climb we're discussing. I'd guess the vast majority of people could not clear the top of that hill previously, and now it's a more attainable goal for strong intermediate riders.

    I don't think you're being fair by continually stating that this section was "sanitized".
    Taking both the run-up and the feature into consideration, I thought this section was almost identical to Brushy's Jammer and EBD step-ups. If someone goes out tomorrow and piles dirt ramps onto Jammer and EBD, I think you can guess the reaction--but I think it would involve torches. Here, it seems the traffic is low enough on Goodwater that you only have to deal with one disgruntled jack-ass (me).


    Quote Originally Posted by AtariAge View Post
    I'd say it was never really finished when that new section of trail was first cut. I'm glad you at least got to clean it once before it was changed, though. If something isn't rideable by the vast majority of people using the trail, then I'd say that's not a very well designed trail element. I'm sure there are many sections of the trail that you and I can ride without problems, but many people have to walk. Given the technical nature of Lake Georgetown, the bar is already somewhat high--it's not a trail for beginners. But most elements should be rideable by strong technical riders. There are a few other elements of this nature that will probably get addressed over time, although I think the focus will be to build additional singletrack to bypass more of the doubletrack on the north side.

    Please also keep in mind that one of the goals when we worked on the south section of trail was that the Army Corps of Engineers wanted to have 4x4 access to the entire trail via the available access points. Given that requirement, we did the best we could to keep the rugged nature of the trail without turning it into a highway.
    For reasons I stated in this post, shown below, and because I've already derailed this ride call thread enough (too much...sorry Cody) this is my final word on the matter in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    The land managers and trail stewards have, in my opinion, absolute right to have the trail they want. If I (or anyone) wants it different, I should become heavily involved in their planning sessions, or just ride somewhere else altogether. Certainly that doesn't keep me from expressing my opinions to anyone who'll listen, but I shouldn't expect the trail stewards to be impressed by my opinion if I haven't been involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtariAge View Post
    the Army Corps of Engineers wanted to have 4x4 access
    What another new drivetrain?! I haven't even gone 1x yet.
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    I'm in for 2 laps.
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    In for at least one depending on how Iím feeling.

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    Thanks for posting up fellas! I'm glad to see this finally begin to get traction. I was beginning to think my statement about a larger attendance may have been made in vein. Truthfully, I think I may have just made the ride-post a too soon.

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    I think the tepid/slow response has to do with the current temperatures. Iíll do 90 minute rides in the heat, but the thought of 3-8 hours is a bit intimidating. Iím hoping for a rapid cooldown and/or low humidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioGG View Post
    I think the tepid/slow response has to do with the current temperatures. I’ll do 90 minute rides in the heat, but the thought of 3-8 hours is a bit intimidating. I’m hoping for a rapid cooldown and/or low humidity.
    True, for sure. Also, last year the DS event was much sooner, thus there was an impetus to get pre-rides in promptly. But I still think this will be an ideal day to get some practice/testing (and building fitness) in. Looks like last year we had temps at 71* at rollout. But I definitely recall it getting warm on the last lap.

    If anyone wants to dig through the old thread for some of the details from last year:
    Monday Sept 4th: LGT (unofficial) Dragonslayer pre-ride call

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