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    e-mtbs on Austin trails

    are e-mtbs allowed on Austin trails at all?

    asking for someone who will never be my friend because they suck.

    I think I have the answer, sounds like Emma Long is the only place e-bikes are allowed.

    if that is the case, why are local bike shops bothering to sell e-mtbs? do they sell them with a warning- you can't ride this bike anywhere you probably planned to ride it?

    before I launch into this, I feel like there was a thread about it already...
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    My understanding is that they are banned from all trails and paths owned by the City of Austin. I've seen at least one e-bike at Walnut Creek, during the morning weekday hours.
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    I find gratification in passing e-bikes on Town lake, but I have never seen anyone on a legit e-mtb on Austin trails. That said, I doubt a police officer on an Austin trail would give a rats ass about an e-bike. I did however run into a few people on e-bikes in Colorado that were using them as means to shuttle themselves up the mountains to hit the downhill runs. I could see that being lots of fun.

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    I had to tell a few Segway riders on town lake that they are not allowed. For once I have been very nice and usually start with "are you from out of town?" (they always are) and I let them know that cops can ticket them.

    As for e-bikes I see a bunch on the street. While they are mountain bikes, I think they are mostly used for commuting.

    And, yes, I have passed them on my single speed.
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    I passed a rather large male riding one (in a brand new kit) at the greenbelt in eds bowl area. He had enough money to buy a 6k+ e-bike, but forgot that that does not make you a good rider. He was in way over his head. It felt like justice to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Bike View Post
    I had to tell a few Segway riders on town lake that they are not allowed. For once I have been very nice and usually start with "are you from out of town?" (they always are) and I let them know that cops can ticket them.
    this is also my approach with off-leash dogs. "I saw a cop over there at the trailhead ticketing people with off-leash dogs. you're welcome."
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    Yeah I do that, and I tell them $500 PER DOG. Always amazed at the people with multiple loose dogs.

    And last week we saw a bunch of cops on the GB. Walking. Near Ed's bowl. Amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Bike View Post
    Yeah I do that, and I tell them $500 PER DOG. Always amazed at the people with multiple loose dogs.

    And last week we saw a bunch of cops on the GB. Walking. Near Ed's bowl. Amazing.
    what is the actual fine for a loose dog?

    when I see the cops, I'll have to ask them if they have ever ticketed an e-biker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post

    when I see the cops, I'll have to ask them if they have ever ticketed an e-biker.
    While you are at it, ask them if they've ever ticketed anyone for camping in a city park? I keep thinking I'll call 311 to inform them of that big problem in Mary Moore Seawright.

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    from PARD: "...Please know the Special Events Team, Rangers and the Law Department have been working diligently to address this issue. Motorized vehicles are not permitted on trails per an existing ordinance. Of course, in working with APD, a citation can be given for this conduct- assuming the behavior is observed...." etc. etc.

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    So, there you go. They're not legal in/on Austin trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostinatx View Post
    So, there you go. They're not legal in/on Austin trails.
    Know what else isn't legal? Littering, speeding, topless sun bathing, unleashed dogs South of Walnut Creek, smoking a big joint while playing disc golf, etc. All of these things aren't legal but if they aren't enforced, that doesn't really change how people behave.

    It's good to have a definitive ruling but in the absence of enforcement, I don't see this as being a factor in the minds of most people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    what is the actual fine for a loose dog?
    As AB noted, and it's my understanding as well, is that it can be up to $500/dog. Years ago a friend let her dogs run off leash on the Green Belt. She felt it was worth potentially paying $500 for her dogs to run free and have a good time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tree magnet View Post
    It's good to have a definitive ruling but in the absence of enforcement, I don't see this as being a factor in the minds of most people.
    It chronically chafes my chaps that CoA Parks and Rec will not post LARGE EMPHATIC SIGNS about on leash vs off leash areas. BIG signs. HUGE signs. Signs that you can't miss.

    Based on pics banning e-bikes and such, they are moving in that direction. But they have failed abysmally in other areas, IMHO.
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    You mean like this?

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    It chronically chafes my chaps that CoA Parks and Rec will not post LARGE EMPHATIC SIGNS about on leash vs off leash areas. BIG signs. HUGE signs. Signs that you can't miss.

    Based on pics banning e-bikes and such, they are moving in that direction. But they have failed abysmally in other areas, IMHO.
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    Legitimately curious as to why it matters? Assuming the rider is courteous to other trail users. If it's a pedal assist, and getting someone out on the trail, what's the harm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickensupthepieces View Post
    Legitimately curious as to why it matters? Assuming the rider is courteous to other trail users. If it's a pedal assist, and getting someone out on the trail, what's the harm?
    the arguments are pretty well laid out here- http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb...-satan-mostly/

    pls read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tree magnet View Post
    Know what else isn't legal? topless sun bathing.
    Topless sun bathing is totally legal in Austin, no legal requirement for anyone male or female to have a top in the city. (The state has no law, but most cities have some sort of law, Austin doesn't)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    the arguments are pretty well laid out here- http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb...-satan-mostly/

    pls read.
    I understand how/why it muddies land access, and that sucks. However, logically pedal assist power limited ebikes do no more trail damage than a roadie on a MTB who overpowers things to get through them with the same ability to get in over their head. Sure it has a motor, but the motor only helps you produce up to an amount of power that a human can produce reasonably, maybe not any human, and maybe you can ride longer at that power, but still only up to a certain point.
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    You clearly didn't read the article.
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    This will always be a very grey area, mostly because the manufacturers make both traditional and Ebikes.

    I believe that most of the folks in our sport do not support your viewpoint and that is fine, we don’t all need to agree. Just know you will be pushing rope uphill. And in doing so you’ll be directly at odds with a lot of other people in the industry. We actually have more to lose by advocating Ebikes than we do from not embracing them, which is why most have chosen that side.

    You are free to hold whatever opinion you’d like, but this is a contentious issue and many see Ebikes as the thing that could kill mountain biking in general. Those of us that used to ride places like Forest Ridge know that there are people gunning for our sport, we don’t want to give them any ammunition.
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