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    Exclamation sure was!

    Quote Originally Posted by nando View Post
    Well, that was hot...
    Chuck -
    Thanks for the brew

    After TacoDeli, I circled back to the 360 entrance - Ridingfool (he said he had 4 flats!) was packing up his truck.
    Was checking to see if Ken needed a ride, I also went back past TacoDeli.....No AB
    Maybe he drove Ken home - not like AB to miss TacoDeli

    Was very Hot
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    Quote Originally Posted by zes emevas View Post
    Chuck -

    Was checking to see if Ken needed a ride, I also went back past TacoDeli.....No AB
    Maybe he drove Ken home - not like AB to miss TacoDeli

    Was very Hot
    It got hotter...

    Just got home at 4:30. AB and I were past the 2:00 point and decided tacos were out, so I headed for Zilker. Hot dog and Dr Pepper at Zilker, across downtown and found the awesome splash park at Pease. Stopped in the shade on Shoal Creek a bit. Starbucks iced coffee on Far West and westward to get home. No clue how many miles I got in today but thanks for giving me a reason to get up early and push myself. I really enjoyed the tour and sorry about the mechanicals. Still working the bugs out on the bike obviously.

    Nando, you are OK in my book, I don't care how bad AB makes you out to be.
    ZE - thanks for coming back. You are one cool dude.

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    Unhappy BCGB - The Reign of Terror

    There are terrorist on the BCGB setting mines, . . . that must be it . . . that must be what happened. I'm kinda foggy on it, however I was the target of several explosions today.

    It all seemed so peaceful, so serene as we began the DEATH MARCH, obviously through enemy territory. Determining just who was the enemy is the mystery.

    Note to self: Avoid calls to ride the Green Belt between the months of April and November . . .

    The first round of artillery took me by surprise. After getting stopped, unclipped, off the bike and rolling for cover behind a rock, glancing about for the source of the blast, I noticed that it had blown my rear tire completely off the rim.

    I'm tellin' ya, the tire was wrapped around the triangle on the left side, no part of it was on the rim. WHAT THE HELL does that?

    My bet is on the most infamous of MTB terrorists, Bikeopelli. I'm sure I heard a giggle and the rustling of leaves and rocks as he scurried away. We've had a few run-ins in the past and this was bound to be the culprit this time.

    Of course I carry a tube, and, as I've stated (too) many times, I rarely have a need to use it. Perhaps my recent reply to a thread where I said as much somehow engaged (enraged?) the Murphy factor.

    There was Stan's spooge on everything, the trail, the rocks, the trees and an interesting graffiti job on my frame, brake disc, hub and wheel.

    This was no pfffffffft, it was a BANG. Somehow the tire seemed to have survived, though there was schrapnel inside it, . . . okay, it was really just dirt, gravel and cedar parts in the tire. I cleaned everything off and called AB to let him know that I'll be along in a while.

    Okay, fine. Got it all fixed up and went on to meet the gang. Thanks for waiting guys.

    A little further along I got a little out of kilter with the whole riding/balance equation and somehow ran the nose of my seat up my right pants leg, tearing it at the seam. I bought these shorts last week. Great. Blow out numero dos.

    By this time I'm starting to feel fatigue in my shoulders and arms and we're about seven or eight miles in.

    Perhaps it's the heat, perhaps I wore out the arms pumping up that tire,. . . perhaps the mine or mortar that took me out earlier also delivered a toxic payload and I was just beginning to feel the effects.

    Perhaps it's that I'm a slug, out of shape, and have no business riding BCGB in near century-mark temps. Naw, that can't be it . . .

    The Death March continues.

    Note to self: When you decide that THIS is the time to bail on the ride, BAIL ON THE RIDE!

    My friends () made it sound pretty much like we'll just do this one little loop and then head back. I figure, okay, I've stuck it out before. I'm drinking copious amounts of fluids, eating NUUN tabs, have a bottle with concentrated HEED that I'm sipping on and I'm sucking down Hammergel for good measure.

    Let's do it!

    What could go wrong? After all that's happened so far my luck's bound to change.

    Oh, it changed all right.

    Coming out of TC, on a trail that shall remain nameless to protect the innocent, I realized how important arm and shoulder strength was for riding these pristine, manicured Hill Country trails, and it seems that my strength had the good sense to leave me some time ago. (if anyone finds it let me know)

    Thanks to AB and Pairodimes for lookin' after me. I'd probably still be out there, being pecked on by buzzards or having my flesh torn by chupacabras had it not been for these two fine individuals.

    I'm also glad that they were witness to the second mortar round. BOOM!

    Blowout numero three-o.

    This time it's the front tire, though this assault took only one bead off the rim. It must have been a glancing blow, or, poor aim on the part of Bikopelli, or maybe Murphy was just lightening up a little on me.

    By this time I'm getting a little gun-shy . . . and no longer have a spare tube. What the hell causes a (BOTH!!!) tire(s) to EXPLODE off the bead?

    Note to self: A bicycle has two wheels, bring two tubes.

    I want to be clear about this. Both instances occurred on smooth sections of trail, just rolling along. BOOM! WTF??

    Pairodimes graciously came up with a tube and helped me get things ready so I could resume the . . . . .

    DEATH MARCH

    I notice that the thermometer on my computer is indicating 101F. I notice that sections of trail that should be easy are now impossible to ride. Hell, they are almost impossible to walk. I notice that I am indeed still making sweat, but begin to feel that I may be on the verge of heat exhaustion. I'm tired, confused, looking over my shoulder knowing that "the unknown assailant" may not be done with me just yet.

    Could it be a convoluted plot to wear me down before the final move to take me out?

    Finally, we're on pavement, mostly downhill, feeling the refreshing air making a valiant attempt to evaporate what seems to be a half-inch layer of super-heated sweat that is attached to my jersey.

    We're on our way OUT. Yaaaayyyyyy!!

    Things are beginning to look up now. I may survive to drink refreshing beverages of barley and malt, to eat tacos, to commiserate with my fellow DM (Death March) participants.

    I should have known better.

    It seems that in my haste to repair the front tire there may have been left a small piece of sand, or I may have picked up a thorn, or, as I was running Stan's, the thorn could have been there all along. Regardless, as I was "pumping" my way back down to the creek trail and my (presumed) salvation, I began losing air. So did the front tire.

    We were able to pump it up, twice (Pairodimes carries a floor pump!), and I make it almost to the chain wall before I burped the tire. Now, keep in mind that this is a tire with a tube in it. Anyone else ever burped a tire with a tube in it?

    Blowout numero four.

    It seems that what was left of the Stan's had been providing enough of a seal to hold air even though the tube was leaking it out.

    Now that it had burped there was no way to get it to even consider holding air.

    I began to brace myself for the walk back to the 360 TH. It'll be a nice hike, give or take the fact that I'll be pushing the bike the whole way.

    AB came back to check on me, again. I really appreciated that, and turned down his offer of another tube as I figured in my current state I was going to be walking a lot anyway.

    At this pace I thought I might make it back before actually dieing. Several time I heard the siren song of the rippling waters of Barton Creek calling to me. Just jump in, it'll be great! You need to cool off. But I wasn't falling for that old trick, no sir. I'm a survivor I am!

    Note to self: Those Shimano shoes really aren't too bad for hiking in . . .

    I made it to the truck. It wasn't pretty, but I had survived. Once at the parking lot I realized just how vital air conditioning can be under certain circumstances, as I sucked down some Recoverite that I had left chilled, waiting for just such an occasion.

    Todd came by to make sure everyone on the ride had made it out. For someone who may be certifiably insane (fixed, rigid, on the Green Belt?) he is one hell of a great guy!!

    Leaving the trail head I decided to swing by Taco Deli, just in case there might be Mojos still lurking about. Alas, they all had the good reasoning to head on home and immerse themselves in the beloved AC. Oddly, I wasn't even hungry. Ordering only a cantaloupe juice and an iced tea at fifteen minutes before closing.

    As this is being written I have yet to imbibe the traditional post-ride brewski. Is this sacrilegious? Could something even worse befall me for angering the MTB gods by this ommision?

    I think there's some Fireman's 4 in the fridge . . .

    Beware, there be monsters on that trail . . .

    UPDATE:

    I'm having that brewski now.
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    Epic ride report dude. Sorry to hear you had another flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pair0dimes View Post
    Epic ride report dude. Sorry to hear you had another flat.
    I owe you big-time for all your help so I could make it out alive.

    Thanks just doesn't seem to cover it.

    Glad you made it home too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridenfool View Post
    I owe you big-time for all your help so I could make it out alive.

    Thanks just doesn't seem to cover it.

    Glad you made it home too.
    Twas nothin man. Pass it along (as has been asked of my in the past).

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    So hows about a ride report on the T29 now that you got some decent miles in on it? I really need to get some time back in on the dirt... I believe this is the longest time since I started riding that I've been off the mountain bike and it's only been ~3 weeks in over 2 years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lost27 View Post
    So hows about a ride report on the T29 now that you got some decent miles in on it? I really need to get some time back in on the dirt... I believe this is the longest time since I started riding that I've been off the mountain bike and it's only been ~3 weeks in over 2 years!
    Sure man. I will pull one together. I am really enjoying the bike overall, but not really in the mood to type at the moment.

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    Ridinfool -
    Great post......I'm geussing you must have voice recorded most of that on your long drive home

    I had no idea you flatted early on - don't think you said anything - we were all helping and watching
    Nando tightening up P-o-D's spokes might not of heard that.

    Was good to hear you all were back, your ride with all the flats and the long walk back - bummer
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    No beer. No tacodeli. Went home as I was running late. No beer tonight. Yet.
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    Thanks for the ride reports. Makes me feel better that I had the good sense to bail early!

    Ok. Not really. I was just owned by the BCGB and Texas summer. Even with the shortened distance, my 3 liters of water ran dry, I downed another liter at my car plus an ice-cold G2 generously offered by George. Still I got to join a group ride, which is something I haven't been able to do in a long time. It was good to see you all.
    ...formerly mojo chubby ninja

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Minus 1 View Post
    Thanks for the ride reports. Makes me feel better that I had the good sense to bail early!
    Good call!

    WHY, OH WHY DIDN'T I LEAVE THEN?!?
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    Just out of curiousity, what kind of tire pressure were you running when you had your blowouts? I know there are some out there who don't believe this to be true, but I have personally seen/heard/felt tires w/ tubes explode in excessive heat. You know, the whole "gas expands when heated" thing... There are some pretty strict pressure recommendations when running a tubeless setup, so I'm wondering if the excessive heat may have led to an increase in tire pressure making it more likely to experience a blowout. I've never heard of that happening on a tubeless setup, but you never know...
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    I have a theory, but will let Rdenfool qualify or disqualify. I doubt tire pressure had as much to do with it as Ridenfool's condition at the time.

    During the ride he complained about upper body pain and soreness. I have experienced this before during rides and know what it does to my choices of line and direction of front tire. My theory is that even though he intended to ride as he normally would, that his choices were being impaired by his shoulder/arm pain. As we rode cheesegrater and some of the other rocky sections during the hotter parts of the day, it defnintely takes a toll on a tire regardless of pressure. I did witness one of the explosions as I was less than 100ft in front when the tire blew, it was a clear rolling of the bead, which may have resulted from a sharp turn or rock pressure to the sidewall.

    Riding with shoulder, neck, arm or other upper body pain is no fun and definitely contributes to a change in line selection. My guess is this was the root cause, but as I said, it's just a theory.

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    I filled the tires that morning,

    Front ~35,

    Rear ~38.

    This is the same pressures I've been running for a Stan's setup over the years on three bikes and several wheelsets.

    Setup is Spinergy Xyclone wheels, Bontrager rimstrips and valves, Stan's goo, WTB Weirwolf on the front, Maxxis Ardent on the rear.

    Though it was in the 90's, I've been riding this bike in those temps without issue. Did the Georgetown loop on Pimp's ride and experienced no problemo.

    It would be nice to wrap my head around what happened, and how to address it. I don't want to be ten miles away from the car and find myself in the same situation again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lost27 View Post
    So hows about a ride report on the T29 now that you got some decent miles in on it? I really need to get some time back in on the dirt... I believe this is the longest time since I started riding that I've been off the mountain bike and it's only been ~3 weeks in over 2 years!
    He might have a better ride report about his wheelset. More colorful, too.
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    maybe some Mr. Wizard engineer/scientist can explain the expanding gas thing. CO2 vs. air?

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    I have had the burp from a sidewall hit before. And I concur that I was definately taking my lines differently, but in both instances I was not on a rocky section, nor were there any limbs, roots or such to contribute to popping the bead from side pressure.

    If the blowouts had happened while hitting a tech section or railing a fast turn I'd not give it a second thought, as the obvious stresses would have contributed.

    When you were there for the front tire's explosive decompression I was rolling up to you guys after riding up a slight grade at a very slow pace.

    I'm now thinking it could be space aliens . . .
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    CO2 is out of the equation as it wasn't used.

    There is ammonia in the Stan's mix isn't there?

    I'm not familiar with ammonia's properties, but I wouldn't expect such significant rapid expansion from a ten to twenty degree ambient temp change. (coming from being filled in an air conditioned house (78F) to outdoor temps (98F))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridenfool View Post
    CO2 is out of the equation as it wasn't used.
    i wasn't really serious....just wanting to add to your conspiracy theory.

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