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    Thanks for the tour! You guys have clearly done your trailbuilding homework, and kudos to you for meeting with the land owner. That obviously went well and I imagine future meetings will go well too. I was amazed at the amount of traffic we saw - bikers, runners, hikers. It's great that folks who live in that area have a place to play without having to drive into Austin. I look forward to getting back out there to see the sections we missed!
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    Good trail. Bit of everything. When can we expect a map? I've wandered around a few times, but still can't seem to piece it all together. Keep finding new bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Inbred View Post
    Good trail. Bit of everything. When can we expect a map? I've wandered around a few times, but still can't seem to piece it all together. Keep finding new bits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Inbred View Post
    Good trail. Bit of everything. When can we expect a map? I've wandered around a few times, but still can't seem to piece it all together. Keep finding new bits.
    Once you get on Deception, it's pretty much an out and back with no intersections. But there are other trails in the same area, and there are probably trails I have no idea about. Rugger mentioned "signage", so I'm quite curious what that might entail. Will the entrance to Deception be marked on the main Brushy Creek Trail? Will there ultimately be a "trailhead" with a map? Will there be signs on the trail itself? Could be interesting. I'm a big fan of having well-marked trails, so I'd be glad to help with any signage efforts.

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    I'm being an elitist ass snob here, but the thoughts of signage out there scares the crap out of me. The current trail is a nice mix of technical challenge. It's narrow, tight, and has traffic in both directions. If signs are posted making it easy for some of the less experienced folks that visit Brushy Creek to get on the trail, we'll see it sanitized, widened and overrun. It runs the risk of becoming another Walnut Creek - which would be a big loss, imo. Keep it in the down low - let folks who care enough to search it out find it, and preserve a more technical and challenging trail.
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    As the trail is pretty much loose scree the entire way and starts with a climb (not a complaint) I think anyone tempted to take their hybrid on it will be quickly discouraged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teamsloan View Post
    As the trail is pretty much loose scree the entire way and starts with a climb (not a complaint) I think anyone tempted to take their hybrid on it will be quickly discouraged.
    That or they'll flat fairly quickly running over cactus.

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    Official map and signage, that might take a while, but it's in the works in some form.

    This is it, anything else you ride it not officially part of our trail. A 'typical ride' (that doesn't start from home) Start at the Sports Park and head west along the BCRT, as soon as you cross the little bridge hang a left to hit Mulligan, that will dump you back onto the BCRT where you'll continue west...after crossing the composite bridge you hang another left and take it to the "top" right beside the cul de sac before heading down the singletrack known as Barn (just a short piece) - lots of ppl skip this or don't realize it's there. This will lead you literally thru and old barn structure and back across the BCRT again to Picnic. Picnic has a couple of high pucker drops - they are rollable, but many choose to take the alternate routes. Generally Picnic is ridden counter-clockwise - taking the lower route along the creek. There isn't much warning for the first drop (Basket), if you don't like the pucker stuff take the first right after you have been on Picnic about 100 yrds, you will bypass Basket. The next drop is at the half way point (.5miles out), there are a few 'scary' looking bones on a tree to warn you of this one, either hang a left and get across "The Blanket" or continue down the drop. Don't forget to check out the views and sounds of the creek that ALWAYS has water in it. You'll soon be back on the trail you came in on and most people head across the BCRT one more time to hit Deception. Just head across the pasture towards the neighborhood. Look to the right and head on the trail that goes up into the trees (not the pasture...unless a completely flat 1/4 miles is your bag) - you are now on Deception - this is what we started March of 2012. You will ride quite a variety and the trail will lull you in early and kick you in the teeth after a few miles. You will probably be surprised to find how challenging this place is. I consider it Intermediate with some Advanced features.

    Please try not to shortcut anywhere or alter the trail. We would like to extend what we have and making this a spider web network might make that difficult. We admittedly put a LOT of trail into a small are and ppl are tempted to cut across - this undermines our efforts.

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    If you are a beginner, if you are not very fit you may not enjoy this trail, at least beyond the first 2 miles. If you like riding the stuff you are not supposed to ride in west and south Austin you will love this place. It was built to be very fun, very challenging, it has a very narrow corridor and tread, expect and respect that, please. T

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    Sorry this looks messy, Deception was out and back and I think I did 3 laps on Mulligan...

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    I do agree that I'd hate to see sanitation take place I hadn't thought about it from that perspective. I don't really think signage is necessary--once you find the trail, there are no intersections until you hit the jeep road, at which point you need to turn around (I have no idea where that jeep track goes, but I have seen people riding it). I am curious what WilCo wants, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fontarin View Post
    That or they'll flat fairly quickly running over cactus.
    Ha, no kidding. I'm surprised I haven't flatted out there yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechniKal View Post
    I'm being an elitist ass snob here, but the thoughts of signage out there scares the crap out of me. The current trail is a nice mix of technical challenge. It's narrow, tight, and has traffic in both directions. If signs are posted making it easy for some of the less experienced folks that visit Brushy Creek to get on the trail, we'll see it sanitized, widened and overrun. It runs the risk of becoming another Walnut Creek - which would be a big loss, imo. Keep it in the down low - let folks who care enough to search it out find it, and preserve a more technical and challenging trail.
    I tend to agree with TechniKal. I like the fact that it you have to know that it is up there to get on to. It is a challenging trail and I was lucky enough to have someone show me the route. I enjoy the state of the trail now, and would hate to see it overrun. Riders that may not be up to the challenge of the trail might find themselves on it by simply following signage. I enter the trail ready to get the heck out of the way of more proficient riders than myself, but I don't know if the general public who would follow signage would be that mindful.

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    Talk of signage...this is a requirement of Wilco. A kiosk was mentioned, but signage was discussed. Advising of the narrow bridge for example, the bigger drops, the Black Diamond section where the trail makes a very obvious change to the much more technical, EMS locators, things such as this.

    I share the overuse and widening concerns. Frankly, I hope that the MTB trail efforts going on at the SW Regional Park will help to keep the beginners away and over there. To me, the terrain at each location serves different groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugger View Post
    Talk of signage...this is a requirement of Wilco. A kiosk was mentioned, but signage was discussed. Advising of the narrow bridge for example, the bigger drops, the Black Diamond section where the trail makes a very obvious change to the much more technical, EMS locators, things such as this.

    I share the overuse and widening concerns. Frankly, I hope that the MTB trail efforts going on at the SW Regional Park will help to keep the beginners away and over there. To me, the terrain at each location serves different groups.
    I see no issue with having signage once already on the trail. If there is a way to get the trail marked on a kiosk, then I see no real harm. Typically the ONLY people who look at things like that are the folk that would never even attempt a trail like Deception. I can say that I have only looked at trail maps when in completely new areas, or when beginning a 16+ mile hike, and I don't have a map in my pack.

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    make the first section harder, much harder, it will serve as a filter..
    That was intentionally done at Thumper

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    I've kept quiet, but now that it's out . . . You guys did a really good job on that trail. It is one of my favorites now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ccoker View Post
    make the first section harder, much harder, it will serve as a filter..
    That was intentionally done at Thumper
    That worked the first time I went to Thumper, my riding buddy refused to go further than the first 1/4 mile.

    We plan to propose that to Wilco. The P&R director mountain bikes - he has ridden the trail. He knows how tough it is and respects the intended user group. We have thought about this, but we'd like to accomplish this is a natural way without man-made features. You know the terrain out there...the beginning is naturally just an easier area. I have considered rerouting the beginning and have some ideas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by el gringo View Post
    I've kept quiet, but now that it's out . . . You guys did a really good job on that trail. It is one of my favorites now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickJ View Post
    I see no issue with having signage once already on the trail. If there is a way to get the trail marked on a kiosk, then I see no real harm. Typically the ONLY people who look at things like that are the folk that would never even attempt a trail like Deception. I can say that I have only looked at trail maps when in completely new areas, or when beginning a 16+ mile hike, and I don't have a map in my pack.
    Having spent a week in Sedona recently, I hugely appreciate having good signage on unfamiliar trail systems. Unfortunately, trails in the Austin area are somewhat lacking as far as good signage goes. There are some exceptions (Walnut Creek, Pace Bend, Slaughter Creek (LOL)), but overall it can be confusing to find your way on some trails if you're not familiar with them and don't have a guide. Some of this is due to the popularity of some unofficial trails. But other trail systems could really use some signage, or updated signage as the trail system changes (or people remove/destroy signs, as has happened at Walnut Creek).

    While in Sedona, I was continually impressed with the thoroughness of their trail signage. On many trails, pretty much every single intersection had signs naming each trail at the intersection. There were also "You are here" maps at many intersections. Made it much easier to navigate the trails, especially when partnered with a good trail map (which I purchased in town). This was sharply contrasted with one ride up in Flagstaff where we had to make several guesses at major trail intersections that were not marked at all.

    I'm not going to argue the merits of having the actual trailhead marked, but once on the trail, I'm for plenty of signage that will make things easier for those riding the trail for the first time. Even us experienced riders have a first time on every trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rugger View Post
    Official map and signage, that might take a while, but it's in the works in some form.

    Be warned...
    If you are a beginner, if you are not very fit you may not enjoy this trail, at least beyond the first 2 miles. If you like riding the stuff you are not supposed to ride in west and south Austin you will love this place. It was built to be very fun, very challenging, it has a very narrow corridor and tread, expect and respect that, please. T

    Sorry this looks messy, Deception was out and back and I think I did 3 laps on Mulligan...
    I just recently rode it as well- I was warned in the YMCA parking lot I had brought the wrong bike- Rigid SS 29er. The first half (from Barn) I was absolutely loving it very smooth and great flow. The second half I was getting gassed with all the up and down.

    Now since I had no idea if this was a 3 mile or 30 mile loop I was holding back not knowing how much energy I needed to conserve for the distance or the obstacles. Now that I have a feel for it I will enjoy it much more and without holding back and the second half will flow better. Cant believe I missed the other three routes so thats a for sure next time.

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    I have not ridden Mulligan, Barn, or Picnic at all. I am super excited to get out there and try them out!

    Deception kicks my butt every time, but I am getting to know it better and better every time.

    A question of etiquette... I tend to ride it from West to East. Did the trail builders intend for a unidirectional use?

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