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    Betterride.net

    They are doing a camp this weekend and another end of April.....is anyone doing it? is it worth it?
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    I'm doing the one this weekend. I will post a review afterward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loraura View Post
    I'm doing the one this weekend. I will post a review afterward.
    Ditto. See ya manana.

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    wow, 600 bucks. can I get you to wear this little camera for me?

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    I attended several years ago and learned so many things that stick with me today. Gene broke countless bad habits and and showed me how to effectively self coach. Well worth the money for me.

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    yes pls do give a post seminar review on this, contemplating the April dates.

    Thx

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    Do you know if any local BS is sponsoring it? I'm contemplating the August dates.
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    can i audit?

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    The drills for cornering today were phenomenal. I knew you lean your bike, not yourself, and which foot is down, but the stuff we practiced step-by-step were totally amazing. Loved it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita Handle View Post
    wow, 600 bucks. can I get you to wear this little camera for me?
    Yup, kinda expensive, but here's how I look at it:
    How much will a new fork cost? 600-1000 bucks. Will it make you a better rider? The answer is no, it won't. Will this class? Yes, it will.
    So often times it happens, that we live our lives in chains, and never even know we have the key.


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    I'll write a more detailed review when I'm not exhausted, BUT, I will say that:
    1) I am already a better rider after the clinic.
    2) I expect with some practice of the skills I learned I will be MUCH better by mid-summer.
    3) i only thought I knew how to ride a bike. Halfway through day 3 something clicked and everything felt new and better and totally awesome.

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    My friend said if it saved me one trip to the ER, that would about cover the cost of the clinic. The husband agreed and told me to sign up. Then Andy said I would need to buy a drop seatpost and I told the husband. Still waiting for him to agree to it. Although I know I got some good safety techniques, I still fell twice today. Once not my fault, but my chain sucked going up the rock at the Tar Crossing and I couldn't catch myself and fell in the water. Then I fell riding down at the wide crossing. I wasn't staying low with my elbows up like I just learned, I looked at the ground and just went down. That was exactly why I took the class, to avoid those errors. But using a drop seatpost would have saved me. I am learning to ride lower, and my seatpost is a pain in the butt. Also, my stem is too long. Black, Salsa, looks to be over 3 inches. Anyone want to trade? And my grip is not strong. But that will take me a while to figure out.
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    So where was the clinic?
    So often times it happens, that we live our lives in chains, and never even know we have the key.


    Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goal.

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    I attended the Better Ride clinic at Walnut last year and absolutely loved it. Some of the best $600 I've ever spent. I agree with the others - it totally opened my mind to a new and more effective / efficient way of riding (especially the cornering). It did more for my riding than any bike or component upgrade ever has!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakec View Post
    I attended the Better Ride clinic at Walnut last year and absolutely loved it. Some of the best $600 I've ever spent. I agree with the others - it totally opened my mind to a new and more effective / efficient way of riding (especially the cornering). It did more for my riding than any bike or component upgrade ever has!
    Ditto, Jake, with one caveat. I wish there was follow up support in the form of a DVD or manual to reinforce what we learned in class. However, I read somewhere that this may be in the works. But yes, we learned an entirely new way of being on the bike, with clear and careful explanation of WHY and then the HOW in the form of drills followed by trail time in the afternoon.
    I've recently gotten interested in something called Perpetual Motion Freestyle swimming, which emphasizes retraining muscle memory through drills, so the IDEA of drills to create new muscle memory was a now familiar concept to apply to mountain biking. Drill, drill, drill.

    Just when you thought something would have to squirt out one side of your brain to let in yet more new information, we headed to the trails for demonstration and practice. I would have to say thumbs up. It was interesting to see some photos of Bear on his Spring Fling adventure and to note that he was in the perfect position on his bike: balanced on the pedals, eyes looking ahead.

    Our instructors were Andy and Chris -- both with simply awe inspiring skills on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by June Bug View Post
    Ditto, Jake, with one caveat. I wish there was follow up support in the form of a DVD or manual to reinforce what we learned in class. However, I read somewhere that this may be in the works. But yes, we learned an entirely new way of being on the bike, with clear and careful explanation of WHY and then the HOW in the form of drills followed by trail time in the afternoon.
    I've recently gotten interested in something called Perpetual Motion Freestyle swimming, which emphasizes retraining muscle memory through drills, so the IDEA of drills to create new muscle memory was a now familiar concept to apply to mountain biking. Drill, drill, drill.

    Just when you thought something would have to squirt out one side of your brain to let in yet more new information, we headed to the trails for demonstration and practice. I would have to say thumbs up. It was interesting to see some photos of Bear on his Spring Fling adventure and to note that he was in the perfect position on his bike: balanced on the pedals, eyes looking ahead.

    Our instructors were Andy and Chris -- both with simply awe inspiring skills on the bike.
    Glad you really enjoyed it June Bug! Andy was our instructor as well, and we thought he was totally awesome as well. Putting together quality instructional DVDs that go into the steps and detail like they teach in BetterRide would be a ton of work to do it well - as can be evidenced by all the very sub-par videos out there. This is something Jenny and I were planning on doing before we ended up getting the job at IMBA.

    There is actually a great manual you can get, but you can't just order it. Jenny and I took our BetterRide experience one step further and got certified as Level II instructors through the IMIC (International Mountain Bike Instructor Certification) program (Both programs teach from the same basic fundamentals). The cool thing about this is that part of the certification package includes a 160 page manual that really breaks everything down for how to teach all of the skills to students. Jenny and I refer to it all the time when prepping for skills training sessions we do for students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakec View Post
    ... got certified as Level II instructors through the IMIC (International Mountain Bike Instructor Certification) program (Both programs teach from the same basic fundamentals)
    Where did you take the IMIC certification course?
    "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far they can go" - T.S. Eliot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber View Post
    Where did you take the IMIC certification course?
    We drove to Snowshoe Resort in WV and got certified along with their staff and park manager that were going to be instructing park guests as part of their summer MTB program. They typically only have a few scheduled events each year, but if you get 5 or more folks to do it with you, they will come to you. And the "they" is none other than Shaums March, Red Bull Legends downhill racer. He is currently the only master coach that can certify other instructors.

    He and his co-instructor Derek were awesome - just like the experience we had with Andy of BetterRide. Hoosier MTB Assn and Evergreen MTB Alliance have both invested in getting members certified in this program, and are seeing their membership grow as they now have a cadre of skilled instructors all following the same curriculum when they put on skills clinics, so participation is growing consistently for them since so many riders lack access to local, well trained instructors that have been taught a systematic and scientific approach to breaking down and teaching skills.

    I think it would be great if ARR and BSS identified a core group of riders that have the desire, humility (ie lack of ego) and patience to be good instructors, and invested in getting them certified as this could provide a great benefit to local riders.

    By the way, the program is intense. There are written and practicle exams where you actually have to instruct others as part of the program - it is very hands on. There are 4 levels of certification: Ride Guide, Instructor, Coach, Master Coach.

    Ideally you would want to have the skills learned at BetterRide pretty dialed before getting certified, but its not 100% necessary.

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    June Bug, it's nice to hear that it *looks* like I know what I'm doing.

    Sometimes I even feel that way.

    Woody & I were chatting about the for-pay riding clinics and so long as they're good like Betterride -which i've never attended but would probably if Things n Stuff aligned. I'd love to take one of the week long things up in B.C. for a)how much fun it'd be, b) how much it'd advance my DH/FR skills, and c) how much it'd advance my AM skills.

    The whole thing about staying balanced on the bike, "centered" as I like to think of it, I've had hammered in to me for much more cost than a mere $600 too - lots of hours downhilling at Diablo and Plattekill and one or two other places really teaches you to find your efficient and control center.

    When trying to pin it through some very rough crud, even with a big travel bike, your faults in body position and bike setup are very, very quickly brought up and highlighted. Once I really started to "get it" in that venue it was obvious to me how much that applied to general trail riding, even pedalling uphill.

    To think of the lift-ticket cost, bike parts cost, and other associated costs, I'd be surprised if I have put less than $1500 into it.

    Sure, I got a ton more time riding in, but as a focused skill training I think Betterride is a better value.

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    Bear, Andy (our instructor) referred to himself as a "retired" downhiller racer. Watching his fluid moves on the bike and his interaction with the trail is just astounding. Even a seemingly flat trail has micro-topography that can be used to good effect.

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