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    MoJo Mother Superior notyal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tip View Post
    Hmmm. I don't get that. It's like slalom skiing. There are competitions to see how fast they can get through the gates. Are you saying it's too dangerous to try? Maybe so, but no less dangerous/thrilling than attempting a big jump, or even going up a big, jagged, rocky feature.
    With Russian roulette, you are still aiming at a target (your head). The factor of danger is increased. Will it make you a more complete shooter? Of course not.

    Increasing the probability of injury by creating dangerous situations where they need not exist, does not make you a more complete rider.

    I think you don't understand the appeal of technical riding and somehow equivocate "danger" with "challenge". There are some very challenging obstacles that aren't very dangerous. I would much, MUCH rather clean a tricky, ledgy climb that I've never made before than go through a tree gate faster. Yet, the chances for injury are much greater if I were to clip the tree at high speed.

    I good example are progressive drop zones. They are designed to challenge your skill in a controlled way. If you really think that catching some sweet air is equally as thrilling as a tree gate, I think you need to catch more air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tip View Post
    Were you a couple? We got to that point and saw two riders. So yes, that was probably us.
    Nope, I was a single.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notyal View Post
    I think you don't understand the appeal of technical riding and somehow equivocate "danger" with "challenge". There are some very challenging obstacles that aren't very dangerous.
    I totally get the appeal of clearing some technical feature. But just because you are going 2 mph doesn't make it safe. I talk about the "consequences of fail" a lot. That cliff on the south Veloway loop for example. I know that I could get down that thing, maybe even up it, with practice. But the consequences of fail prevent me from trying.
    I have also caught a tree with a handlebar not even trying to go fast. Pulled groin. Pain. But still, sometimes, I feel really jiggy and want to weave in and out of gates at a good clip because it's fun for me.
    It's a case of satisfaction over clearing an obstacle for the first time versus a sense of exhilaration over the perception of speed through gates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tip View Post
    I totally get the appeal of clearing some technical feature. But just because you are going 2 mph doesn't make it safe. I talk about the "consequences of fail" a lot. That cliff on the south Veloway loop for example. I know that I could get down that thing, maybe even up it, with practice. But the consequences of fail prevent me from trying.
    I have also caught a tree with a handlebar not even trying to go fast. Pulled groin. Pain. But still, sometimes, I feel really jiggy and want to weave in and out of gates at a good clip because it's fun for me.
    It's a case of satisfaction over clearing an obstacle for the first time versus a since of exhilaration over the perception of speed through gates.
    Again, you're just picking a dangerous situation and calling it technical. Danger or "consequences of fail" does not necessarily equal technical challenge. Consequence of failure aside, that section is not overly technically challenging. It is exposed, thus increasing danger in the event of failure, but it is not a challenge of your bike handling skills compared to some other trails around here. I bet if there was a tree or two lining the shear side, most people would ride it without a problem.

    Yes, riding as fast as you can through tight, twisty, tree-lined trails is super fun. No one is denying that.

    It's like if a ski resort manager said "I don't like moguls. Olympic downhill courses don't have moguls. Why should we? Let's plow every run, every night. Groomed trails are fun, and if you need more challenge, ski faster."

    I know you do a lot of work out there. For that, I am eternally grateful. To you and all trail builders, anytime we finish a ride together, the beer is on me. I'm not trying to be harsh or argumentative or a jerk. It does legitimately concern me, however, that you are out there with a convoluted idea of what actually makes a trail or feature "technical".
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    MoJo Mother Superior The Tip's Avatar
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    Let's meet up for a ride and discuss it.
    I think we are on the same page, but you don't.
    But that beer thing you mention sounds like we are definitely on the same page!
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    Cut the slappers, but don't move rocks. The tread will cure over time without our help.
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    I have been having a dilemma. I want to clip in to ride but am unsure of attempting some of the what little tech we have in the SATN while clipped in. So sometimes I would put my flats on when planning to ride those sections. But since I was use to being clipped in, the riding felt harder. and my shoes would slip sometimes too. What to do, what to do.

    So I went to Performance Bike and bought some Forte Campus Pedals on sale for $39. Clips on one side of the pedal, flats on the other side. I was hoping that it would be the best of both worlds. Just got back from the first ride with them and viola, They work great! Easy to clip in (compatible with my Shimano cleats) and the metal trap flats held my shoe well.

    I know this hybrid might offend some purists, but for me it is a great solution. No more having to plan what and where I am going on a ride then switching pedals. Just head out.

    That's all. Just wanted to share my joy.
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    The Tip, go take those performance clips you got back and get you a set of the forte flat pedals and a pair or 5 ten freeride shoes and you'll be all set. Super sticky and tons of platform on the pedal.

    If you've already decided that really really needs to clip in then I would still go with a different pedal like the Time alum DH pedals. They have a good platform and good for someone transiting from flats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest Borgniner View Post
    Cut the slappers, but don't move rocks. The tread will cure over time without our help.
    Go over the rock. Go around the rock. Don't move the rock. Someone is pulling up rocks out at slaughter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cramsay3 View Post
    Go over the rock. Go around the rock. Don't move the rock. Someone is pulling up rocks out at slaughter.
    I don't know if anyone is pulling up rocks in CC Metro, but there sure are a lot of new ones that are loose. It's like the ground is spitting them out now! It makes it very interesting.

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    The Tip, go take those performance clips you got back and get you a set of the forte flat pedals and a pair or 5 ten freeride shoes and you'll be all set. Super sticky and tons of platform on the pedal.

    ^this
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    tip- I have found those two-sided pedals to be the worst of both worlds. the platform side is too small unless you have tiny feet and does not provide enough grip or support. the SPD side is often on the "wrong" side of the pedal and you have to consciously flip the pedal over to clip in. not a big deal if they are on a commuter bike but they are a giant pain on singletrack.

    get some big, flat, grippy pedals and get some flat, grippy shoes. Five Ten Freeriders are popular but rather pricey. I am looking at some Giro Jackets right now as an alternative. many people just ride in trail running shoes or Van's skate shoes. most skateboarding shoes are too flimsy for cycling these days but I hear Globe makes some burly skate shoes still. ride like that some days and switch your pedals back to SPDs on alternate days. the process of swapping pedals takes less than five minutes, time well spent if hybrid pedals are the alternative.
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    I wear Five Ten Spitfires. They're a little less beefy and heavy than the freeriders, and last years model is perpetually on sale for $30-40.

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    looks like some Ewoks have been at work building bridges in Sunset Valley. would it be inappropriate for me to post a photo of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    looks like some Ewoks have been at work building bridges in Sunset Valley. would it be inappropriate for me to post a photo of this?
    The same Ewoks that built that other thing maybe?

    I know where I am riding tomorrow! Is it easy to find? Give us a hint?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    looks like some Ewoks have been at work building bridges in Sunset Valley. would it be inappropriate for me to post a photo of this?
    I won't tell.

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    I had a good ride this morning. Part of it was one of my favorite runs on the Veloway trails. Coming from CC Metro under Mopac, it's the trail that goes past the left turn to Boulder crossing, and ends at the left turn to Gravel crossing, next to the paved Veloway. Do you know what I am talking about?

    Do most people do that trail heading south, away from Mopac? I ask, because it is a fun and fast track. But, my joy was a bit tempered today, because the sight lines are so short. It's hard to concentrate on your line while keeping your head up to watch for oncoming riders.

    I am not in favor of "making" trails one way, but If I were, that would be the one I would start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tip View Post
    I had a good ride this morning. Part of it was one of my favorite runs on the Veloway trails. Coming from CC Metro under Mopac, it's the trail that goes past the left turn to Boulder crossing, and ends at the left turn to Gravel crossing, next to the paved Veloway. Do you know what I am talking about?

    Do most people do that trail heading south, away from Mopac? I ask, because it is a fun and fast track. But, my joy was a bit tempered today, because the sight lines are so short.
    I guess I jinxed myself with this post. I was on it this morning and almost smacked into a guy. I had been saying "hey" as an alert sound and he heard it and slowed for us to see each other.

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    I am not lecturing, but I am just going to say what I do.

    I am talking about the northbound run of Deer Park, entering behind Backspin, that comes out on Davis Lane. Jump the median and cross Davis to the medical office building parking lot. Right there.

    I have decided to only ride on their gravel walkway to proceed north, even though you have to go slowly because it's cambered away on the turn, and not to cut across the easier and faster grass line.

    They were nice enough to not only allow access through the property but also to build that trail to the back of their property. I will respect that and not mess up their lawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbrain View Post
    The Tip, go take those performance clips you got back and get you a set of the forte flat pedals and a pair or 5 ten freeride shoes and you'll be all set. Super sticky and tons of platform on the pedal.
    Spot on. I have that exact model of flats and a pair of 5-10 Dirtbags. The shoes cost less than $40 and have the same compound and soles as the freeriders. Plus they are lighter and breathe easier. They stick so well I caught myself trying to twist out of them a few times subconsciously trying to unclip. Totally worth it and I ride with them more now than I do with clips. Better with the tech stuff in case you have to quickly put a foot down.

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