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    Quote Originally Posted by cramsay3 View Post
    1st post! Are you cynical and jaded yet? What's your opinion on Ardents tires? ... And Rocks?
    1. Yeah, probably, if I'm being honest. Wait... did you mean just about mountain biking?
    2. I've not met Ardent.
    3. You pretty much know what you're getting with rocks. I mean, they're rocks. I've no complaints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apenn View Post
    1. Yeah, probably, if I'm being honest. Wait... did you mean just about mountain biking?
    2. I've not met Ardent.
    3. You pretty much know what you're getting with rocks. I mean, they're rocks. I've no complaints.
    Right, off you go then...



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    Found the lever of a DT Swiss skewer, looks like it's off a Specialized, over by the disc golf course. If you gotta have it back let me know.

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    Just had a weird interaction. Was riding whirlpool East and just before it opens into the flood pond I came up on a couple walking. I slowed way down and rang my bell. The women, that was in front, came to the opening, stepped to the side, and turned around to acknowledge me. Her fella, who I'm gonna call senior leftovers (mostly in hopes he reads this and starts an account to comment with that name ala oldchurchdude) because he was carrying a styrofoam doggy bag, just kept trudging along. I rang my bell again, thinking he may not have herd me, and the women scoled him to move over. While passing he snapped something that I herd as "pets in the way". Thinking this was a way of telling me they had a dog running along out front I slowed to almost a stop to scan the trail. Seeing no dog I turned to seinor leftovers and asked "you said you had a pet in the way?" He snapped back "no, peds have the way! Peds have the right of way!" To which I replied, "oh, I agree, that's why I have the bell." He snapped back something about me over using it and I explained it was because he didn't acknowledge it the first time, like his partner, and I didn't want to have to squeeze by possibly spooking him. He snapped back "well I'm acknowledging you now!" I told them to have a nice day and rode away confused.

    I actually spent the next little while thinking "fuck hikers" but then realized that I probably just got the wrath ment for some less courteous trail user. Moral, be nice out there because your representing the rest of us, and possibly ruinining our rides too.

    Also, am i the only one that has these experiences, or am I the only one talking about them?
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    you're not alone. riding greenbelt once i came up on a man running with his dog (off-leash). i rang my bell and he did nothing. i assumed he couldn't hear me. came up on dog first and dog stopped as did i. i commented "great dog" he slowed, came back to me and responded "don't ever fukking ring that bell at me again!" I was shocked and said that i had no way of knowing he could hear me, that most have thanked me, and that there was no way to predict it was "him" He retorts, "I can hear you from a god!$& mile away!" I told him to grow up and left.

    it was surreal. i decided he was an outlier and sure enough i continue to receive "thanks" and goodwill from most everyone else since.
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    Some weeks ago I made a comment about a biker who I encountered at Walnut Creek in the Log Loops area. He was riding fast as he came around a blind corner towards me. As I quickly pulled off the trail I heard him shouting "RIGHT" as he rang his bell and went flying by. Good thing I had pulled off to the my left I thought... And then shouted that my wife was just behind me. I asked her if she had any problem with him and she said that between his ringing of his bell and shouting "RIGHT... RIGHT..." she was a bit concerned that she was doing something wrong by pulling over to the side of the trail she was closest to which was her right. Meaning, she left the trail on the left side open for him, which was not what he was shouting for. She said that he just flew by her.

    I saw the fella when we got back to the parking lot and you could tell that he is a kind of hyped up older muscle-bound rider that may be a little new to riding mtbs. A kind of ride hard and fast and get out of my way person.

    The thing with ringing a bell and letting someone know you are trying to pass them is that there's no law that say they have to acknowledge you in the manner you want them to. Or pull to the side and let you pass according to the timing you think they should do so in.

    "Okay, when I ring my bell twice and then say 'To your left'... You need to say 'Okay' to me and then pull aside to your right within a few seconds."

    Nope... There's no law that I know of that stipulates that.

    So what do you do?

    Just do the best you can... And don't get all up in your mind about how others conduct themselves. Often, if you do, then the last negative encounter may affect your next encounter in a negative way.

    The wonderful thing for me about riding is that it takes me away from the maddening crowd for a few hours. And I'm not going to let anyone who brings the attitude of the maddening crowd to the trails cause me to participate in it with them.

    Or, at least, I'll try my best not to.
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    Several cases. Bottom line: we suck.
    Once, I came to almost a complete stop but the roided up jogger still threw his elbows out and put me on the cactus line.
    Another, I'm with my 7 year old on the sidewalk with grumpy lady telling me it's illegal to be on the sidewalk. She was in the bike lane.

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    I will say if all you do is ring the bell and then expect walkers/hikers to jump out of your way I can see how many would get pissy. Certainly a bell from a distance back is a cool heads up followed up by some dialogue as you get closer, I usually just say "Howdy, I am going to try to slide/squeeze by on your right/left when we get to X wide spot....' assuming they don't have headphones cranked and can hear me I have had good luck, they usually move over and I say thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RidingAgain View Post
    The wonderful thing for me about riding is that it takes me away from the maddening crowd for a few hours. And I'm not going to let anyone who brings the attitude of the maddening crowd to the trails cause me to participate in it with them.

    Or, at least, I'll try my best not to.
    I think the takeaway is this^^. Just do the best you can in these situations. It seems that the higher the population of Austin gets, the higher the percentage of douchebags on the trails (and roads for that matter). I have and will continue to use a bell and the feedback I have gotten has been overwhelmingly positve.

    BUT- I tend to use it as an early warning system. Warning people as far in advance as is practical. Because they are people after all, whether hikers, bikers, runners, equestrians, whatever. Treat them as such. Don't roll right up behind them and ring your bell from 6 feet. Not cool.

    In heated encounters they may just be projecting from their previous encounter with a mtb. Don't pass it on to the next person you encounter. This should not be a case of "pay it forward". JMHO...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredhead View Post
    I will say if all you do is ring the bell and then expect walkers/hikers to jump out of your way I can see how many would get pissy. Certainly a bell from a distance back is a cool heads up followed up by some dialogue as you get closer, I usually just say "Howdy, I am going to try to slide/squeeze by on your right/left when we get to X wide spot....' assuming they don't have headphones cranked and can hear me I have had good luck, they usually move over and I say thanks.
    Agree. I try to ring my bell as far back as I think will be effective, and I will generally hang back and wait to use it until there is a good place to pass. Most people will just step aside and I will thank them as I pass. Some startle and jump out of the way, obviously conditioned by past experiences with aggressive passers. Some just won't move and I'll take responsibility and pass as safely as I can.

    I just find it weird when people get so defensive or angry. I don't expect people to dive into the bushes and blow me kisses as I pass, but part of living in society is making concessions so that the experience isn't completely shitty for everyone.
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    Some lady that was hiking that I talked to once in Bauerle said she appreciated the bells. She said that she is mostly startled anyway but glad of the effort.

    I don't have one. I clear my throat or sniffle loudly as my warning device. Then an, "Excuse me" and a "thank you, how y'all doing?" as I pass.

    Some folks I run across seem to be not happy people, and no matter what I do, they're going to be pissed about something.

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    Some people hike/ride to get away from all the asshats they have to deal with. This translates into them never being happy to see another human when they are trying to get their zen on. I just acknowledge them and move along.

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    just to be clear, my encounter was exactly what others have stated. rang bell before i even saw the dog and jogger then again when i did see them. when no response, i stopped ringing, stayed back and slowed, then stopped. he was in front of his dog . i made conversation by complimenting his dog. he then went rambo about me ringing my bell as an early warning.

    100% of others have responded positively, and i use it as a way to let peds know i'm coming, not as a demand to move. when people let me pass i see it as a very kind gesture and thank them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    Also, am i the only one that has these experiences, or am I the only one talking about them?
    You are neither the only one experiencing them or posting about them. Some people can make it hard to be nice. We need to do it anyway. No matter how hard it is. See my other posts.

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    Devils advocate, If you rang your bell at me instead of saying something, I might tell you where to stick your bell if I was having a bad day. I expect that many people feel this way.


    Its just not walkers either. I've had extremely slow MTB racers cuss me out and come up after races to do so after friendly encouragement to let off the brakes or make a final push. That's a page straight out of Ned's book and usually works well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJsnoozer View Post
    Devils advocate, ...

    I've had extremely slow MTB racers cuss me out and come up after races to do so after friendly encouragement to let off the brakes or make a final push.
    My wife has told me she will rip my head off if I ever tell her again to "just go a little faster".

    Hmmm. Maybe it not just the bell.

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    I think I will just leave this here -

    https://www.imbikemag.com/mountain-b...-diaries-2017/
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJsnoozer View Post
    Devils advocate, If you rang your bell at me instead of saying something, I might tell you where to stick your bell if I was having a bad day. I expect that many people feel this way.


    Its just not walkers either. I've had extremely slow MTB racers cuss me out and come up after races to do so after friendly encouragement to let off the brakes or make a final push. That's a page straight out of Ned's book and usually works well.
    I've had this thought too. The bike bell is a little too much like a car horn in the sense that there is one tone. There is the occasional time that you give a friendly honk to say "hi", but 90% of the time it's "GO DUMBSHIT" or "WTF ARE YOU DOING ASSHAT". That ratio of friendly to angry is probably reversed with the bike bell, but hikers probably don't all realize this. They just hear "DING!!! OUTTA MY WAY!"
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    I just recently started using the Timber bell. I like the fact that you can change the sensitivity of it, or just turn it off completely. I find that I can turn it to the least sensitive setting, and it still makes a slight noise on the rougher parts of the trail. If I approach someone or a blind spot, I just gently shake the handlebars and it rings the bell softly, followed by "rider up". So far so good. Although I'm sure it will piss off someone.
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    I ring my bell and half the time it goes unnoticed. Often these other trail users are wearing headphones. I end up yelling at them.
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