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    harsh title man, dayyum.

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    Where did it say the type of bicycle he was riding?

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    On a related note, I had to cut through downtown tonight in the rain to get home. I drove past no fewer than three cyclists riding well after dark on the rain with NO lights. Stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    On a related note, I had to cut through downtown tonight in the rain to get home. I drove past no fewer than three cyclists riding well after dark on the rain with NO lights. Stupid.
    And how many drivers texting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdaniel View Post
    And how many drivers texting?
    All of them!

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    And drivers with no lights on whatsoever in the dark and the fog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdaniel View Post
    And how many drivers texting?
    People who are out and about on bike or on foot know that the "hands free" ordinance is widely ignored in this city.

    From APD: Austin is a hands-free city

    A new City of Austin ordinance prohibits the use of all electronic hand-held devices while operating a vehicle or bicycle.

    To avoid fines up to $500, put your phone away or consider using a hands-free system such as Bluetooth or headphones, or an affixed GPS system.

    The Austin City Council adopted Ordinance No. 20140828-041 amending section 12-1-34 of the City Code to prohibit the use of portable electronic devices while operating a motor vehicle or bicycle. This law goes into effect Jan. 1, 2015.

    Austin is leading the state of Texas in the effort to refocus drivers on the task of driving. The hands-free initiative aims to increase safety by decreasing distracted driving in Austin.

    Distracted driving is any activity that could divert a person’s attention away from the primary task of driving and all distractions endanger driver, passenger, and bystander safety.
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    Police Officer Will Not Be Charged For Killing Napster Exec While Texting And Driving – Because It's Apparently OK For Police To Do That

    Police Officer Will Not Be Charged In Killing Of Napster Executive - Business Insider

    Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy Andrew Wood will not be charged for fatally running over former Napster COO Milton Olin Jr. in his patrol car while the officer was typing a message into his computer.

    We first saw the news on Valleywag, but there is good coverage in the Daily News and LAist.

    The instance exposes the different way that law enforcement officials are treated versus civilians in cases where a person is killed because of texting while driving.

    It's illegal to text and drive in California; the state has a specific law against it. Civilians caught doing it can expect to face charges. But a report from the Los Angeles District Attorney's office shows that the rules may be applied differently to cops.

    The incident involving Olin and Wood happened in December 2013 in Calabasas, California. Olin, a key figure at the peer-to-peer music-sharing company that pioneered the online music download industry, was cycling in the bicycle lane when he was killed instantly by Wood's patrol car.

    Wood drifted into the bicycle lane while typing a reply to a colleague who wanted to know whether any other officers were required to attend a fire reported at a high school he had just left. He was trying to tell the other officer that no further backup was needed.


    The Los Angeles District Attorney's report into the incident says that even though it is illegal to text and drive, Wood was not negligent because police officers are expected to respond quickly to messages from colleagues:


    Wood had also been texting his wife from his personal phone minutes before the crash, but those texts were not thought to have contributed to Wood's inattention while driving, the DA's office said.

    In a statement taken at the scene, Wood claimed that Olin had veered into his lane. The DA reported that the opposite was true.

    Many of Los Angeles' cyclists are furious at the lack of charges, according to the LAist. "To say biking advocates are unhappy with the DA's decision to not press charges is an understatement."

    There is a petition to prosecute Deputy Andrew Wood on Change.org.

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    sounds about right. I have ridden past an Austin PD officer driving his squad car through a school zone while typing on his laptop, zero fucks given to what was happening on the road for the next hundred feet or so.
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    How do you type on a keyboard and drive? That just blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgun jeremy View Post
    How do you type on a keyboard and drive?
    Unsuccessfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgun jeremy View Post
    How do you type on a keyboard and drive?
    Fairly comfortably inside a padded protective steel cage.

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    More seriously, I am primarily a road rider. I have never been hit by a car, but the number or friends who have been hit and seriously injured (or died) has taken it's toll. I don't do solo rides for training anymore on the road. I do a short neighborhood streets (South 5th) commute to work, race bikes and do group rides. Outside of that I ride dirt, and the trainer. I've got a lot of life left to live, and I'm fairly convinced if I had kept doing the rides I was before on these streets I would end up seriously injured or dead from trying to do something I enjoy. Unfortunate.

    Good news is that it has brought me to riding MTB's a lot more and that is a lot of fun.
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    This is terrifying. Cant believe how much damage done to the car. Just crazy.

    Group of cyclists mowed down by driver in southeast Austin | KXAN.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamwa View Post
    This is terrifying. [/url]
    No kidding. So much for that false sense of security about "safety in numbers."


    "Meyer and Anderson both want the people responsible for this crash charged with at least vehicular assault, they say there need to be strong consequences to deter other people from causing so much harm.

    “We thought about this, there was nothing we could have done to avoid this— zero. All the conditions were right, it was quiet, there was plenty of space to go around, we were safe, we had lights on,” Meyer explained.
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    The highlighted parts are the point of this thread. When we road ride we are NOT in control of our own destinies. This story could have very easily been about four cycling deaths. Thank heavens it is not.
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    Two points -

    1) MANY, MANY things we do these days has risk of injury or death associated with it. You don't have to be sky diving or bungee jumping to be hurt or killed. One of the most dangerous things people do these days are to get in their cars and deal with other drivers. At least when you are in your car, there is some protection around you.

    2) Getting off road and away from cars reduces the risk of injury due to other cars/drivers. But it replaces those risks with injuries like blisters on your hands or feet, bruises and scrapes due to falls, poison ivy and such, snake bites, etc. NOTHING we do or don't do is without risk. Even sitting on the couch watching TV raises the risk of cardiovascular disease. So pick which risks are worth it to you and chose your activities according to your risk tolerance. I personally like to stay off road to avoid cars/drivers but I like to ride things some people won't try. I picked my risk tolerance level and they picked theirs.
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    1. This article needs to be forwarded to sunset valley. This is an example of why they should open up their beloved trails to the few cyclist who would opt to use them instead of the extremely busy brodie intersection and lane.

    2. You really do have absolutely no control on the street. I got hit by a car 3 weeks ago on pleasant valley. I opted to not make the muddy country club creek crossing and ride the sidewalk from TL over to the 5th street bike lane. Some college student in a new Mercedes took me out while I was right in front of him in the crosswalk. He tried to gun it to get in front of a truck that he had no business pulling in front of. Luckily I bounced and rolled off the hood and no one drove over my bike which was knocked into the middle of the street.

    Stay safe out there everyone. Riding the street means putting your life in the hands of thousands of drivers with other things on their minds.
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    1st off, my heart goes out to these guys and gals. Thats gotta be a traumatizing experience.

    This is a huge part of why I won't ride in cities and I prefer to stay on trails. Nothing I have ever come close to dealing with on a trail has been even close in comparison to being hit by a car. I'll take the trails worst over a ride in the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJsnoozer View Post
    1. This article needs to be forwarded to sunset valley. This is an example of why they should open up their beloved trails to the few cyclist who would opt to use them instead of the extremely busy brodie intersection and lane.
    We tried this approach. We even had a father with CHILDREN there pleading to not force us to ride out next to traffic. Deaf ears. VERY frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgun jeremy View Post
    This is a huge part of why I won't ride in cities and I prefer to stay on trails. Nothing I have ever come close to dealing with on a trail has been even close in comparison to being hit by a car. I'll take the trails worst over a ride in the city.
    You don't often read about mountain bikers dying. I'm very sure that the rate of injuries is WAY higher for mountain bikers vs road riders. But I am equally sure that roadies out pace mountain biker deaths by a lot. You are in control of your own destiny when mountain biking. I would guess 95% of mtb injuries are due to operator error. Probably almost reversed for roadie deaths.

    A simple solution would be to make a law. If you hit a biker while driving, and it's your fault, you go to jail.

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