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    Great work day today. Thanks Leif D, Matt B, John K, John N, and Allie. Slight re-route and two new berms on "Pool Flow" connector (from pool parking lot down to service road trail).

    They're still going to need some time and rain (and a little more work) to be dialed in. But, it's rideable.



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    I tend to go up these ^ and honestly and scared I'm gonna get clobbered seeing how much of a bobsled run is is now. Spread the berm love to the entire park. I'm kind of of taking mental notes where some could go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamwa View Post
    I tend to go up these ^ and honestly and scared I'm gonna get clobbered seeing how much of a bobsled run is is now. Spread the berm love to the entire park. I'm kind of of taking mental notes where some could go.
    I appreciate your point; it's something I've been thinking about a lot. The trail was cut in by ARR as a replacement for a direct fall-line trail. People used to bomb directly down that gradient. Now, they are going slower with the S's/switchbacks. Also, I've been watching a lot of different skill levels of riders both here and at Powerline and what I've noticed is that the slow riders go just as slow when there are berms. The berms wig them out a little and they tap the brakes and go slowly. So, I see your point about 'bobsled' comparison, but it's also a little unfair, because the variety of riders out there are not treating it like a dual-slalom course. And even if a few faster riders go faster, there is still great visibility at this spot. In either of these berm sections, riders are not going any faster than all the straightaways with blind corners (and no berms) in the rest of the park. I may indeed widen the tread of the path though. I do want there to be room for oncoming riders to avoid each other. Thanks for the comment. I do want to hear feedback. And I'll discuss your point with the other ARR leaders.
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    ^ I don't mean to be a downer. I love all the new improvements. I wish COA would be down with a little skills area above the ballfields.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamwa View Post
    ^ I don't mean to be a downer. I love all the new improvements. I wish COA would be down with a little skills area above the ballfields.
    That area has been suggested as a future dog park (bark park!), which would be nice -- it would get some of the dogs off the trails and if the city would cough up the $$$$$s.

    There is a great little spot that I've long through would be nice to add some small features for skills development. Let's say you've come across the Root Drop, crossed the creek and gone up the steep little hill, where you would take a right turn, instead of continuing on. You are roughly paralleling the creek at this point. About 100 yards on, the trail turns left. Just at that spot, there is a small bench on the right, mostly hidden by trees. This is above the confluence of a side drainage with Walnut Creek. Endo Valley is on the other side of this little drainage.

    Anyway, it's a blank area where a little something could be added to make an interesting diversion.

    For those of you cruising this area at a leisurely pace or even walking, not too far after you make the right turn, there is a distinctive and interesting array of little dirt piles by the trail. These are made by leaf-cutter ants. First noticed them a year or two ago and have not seen any others in the park.

    The life cycle of leaf cutter ants is bizarre and way beyond science fiction. If you want to go there, just click on the link above.
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    "The life cycle of leaf cutter ants is bizarre and way beyond science fiction. If you want to go there, just click on the link above."

    Interesting read, that. Wouldn't it be great if they harvested only ligustrum?
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    Another thing about "pool flow" is that I'm not sure hikers would want to do all those switchbacks just to get down or up the hill and may start going down the old route. Sorry to think about this even before there are any problems. (I'm just geared to look at things from all angles.) I guess it depends on the hiker. Bikers tend to enjoy more distance. I'm sure once I rail it downhill a few times I'll stfu. so gracias builders!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamwa View Post
    Another thing about "pool flow" is that I'm not sure hikers would want to do all those switchbacks just to get down or up the hill and may start going down the old route. Sorry to think about this even before there are any problems. (I'm just geared to look at things from all angles.) I guess it depends on the hiker. Bikers tend to enjoy more distance. I'm sure once I rail it downhill a few times I'll stfu. so gracias builders!
    Man, I am listening. I was there for an hour and a half tuning it up yesterday and just kinda observing and talking to people who wanted to talk. Several people thought the climb was better than before; there were more climbers than descenders. Quite a few hikers took the old way up by the road--we have no control over that. One runner avoided the new section and took a weird route through the closed-off trail, but that could have been because I was standing there looking like a crazy sweaty Irish dude with a pick axe. So yeah, let's keep the discussion going. If it turns out not being good, I'll keep an open mind.

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    I saw a guy bike up the old Powerline Hill line that is all blocked off with tree branches now. He just biked over all the branches. I thought about saying "this is literally why branches are covering the 'entrance' and 'exit' of the hill", but instead just nodded at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rancid View Post
    I saw a guy bike up the old Powerline Hill line that is all blocked off with tree branches now. He just biked over all the branches. I thought about saying "this is literally why branches are covering the 'entrance' and 'exit' of the hill", but instead just nodded at him.
    I hear ya. On Saturday I paused before entering Powerline Flow in order to let my hands wake up, and noticed a gap had been made in the blockage by someone having dragged some of branches around. So I dragged 'em back.

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    Thanks. In order to build the new trails, PARD required us to close an equal amount of trail. The whole concept was to close the least sustainable and least safe segments that posed potential high speed conflicts with the concrete trail.

    It's a park after all. There needs to be some green space as well. Not every square inch can be a trail.

    I only the people who go through all the effort to move branches would put there energy in actually helping build and maintain trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Ridge Riders View Post
    If you can't make that work day - there will be more. Walnut is ALWAYS in need of work.

    Some of the work is easy - trimming face slappers and eye pokers. Some work is not - moving ~30 tons of rock in the Main Creek Crossing. Or dealing with poison ivy. We need people to help at every work day.
    Yeah. I ended up in poor shape on Sunday. I promise that I will be out soon for a work day. I also love that new section that connects the dam to log loop! Super flow!

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    Just rode this down. There was a father and son coming up so I waited at the top. They were close to the top so I could see them before I dove in. It doesn't really roll that fast down due to tightness, but it does keep your head a little more down than ahead. If was fun and I like the concept but too bad the southward berms aren't 20 yards further away. COA probably wouldn't have liked that much spread but it would have allowed some straight ways for opposing riders to pass safely. I'm not sure if a up and down rider could both get past each other on the berms (but descending rider should yield given they see each other in time). Obviously I think too much about this stuff. Stupid bikes lol.
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    ^screw it other you. Just checked again and that shit is hella fun. I just didn't have it dialed yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamwa View Post
    ^screw it other you. Just checked again and that shit is hella fun. I just didn't have it dialed yet.
    Some rain will really help the last two get packed in better as well.

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    I rode the nut for the first time in several weeks and noticed a new 'trail' between the dam and the powerline flow trail. It's about halfway between the two and heads up towards the houses. Appears to be wider than normal single track but had several bike tracks on it so I took the bait and headed down it. It goes up behind some houses where it looks like some decent size trees were cut down (5' from the ground) and then seems to end. Does anyone know what is going on here? Possibly a homeowner clearing out some brush and they needed a way to pull it out? Odd.

    On this same note, I hit the parking lot flow trail down this morning as well and it is SWEET! Excellent location to get comfortable leaning into berms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tree magnet View Post
    I rode the nut for the first time in several weeks and noticed a new 'trail' between the dam and the powerline flow trail. It's about halfway between the two and heads up towards the houses. Appears to be wider than normal single track but had several bike tracks on it so I took the bait and headed down it. It goes up behind some houses where it looks like some decent size trees were cut down (5' from the ground) and then seems to end. Does anyone know what is going on here? Possibly a homeowner clearing out some brush and they needed a way to pull it out? Odd.

    On this same note, I hit the parking lot flow trail down this morning as well and it is SWEET! Excellent location to get comfortable leaning into berms.
    Please be aware that The Austin Fire Department is currently clearing a fire break in Walnut Creek Park adjacent to the neighborhoods to the park's southern boundary behind the residences on Shady Springs Rd. and Lincolnshire Dr.
    The work will mostly be in areas away from the trails, but will be in close proximity or concurrent with trails in the Detention Dam and southern Log Loops area.
    Today a truck with a chipper shredder trailer was mulching brush near the top of Power Line Hill. Trails remain open but use caution in these area.
    Also, please note and observe closures of areas that have been closed for restoration.
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    That makes sense. They are spreading all of the wood chippings at the top of the dam road. Not a problem, just an observation. Its not like anyone is ever doing anything there but trying to catch their breath.

    Is there any possibility for trail between the new fire break and powerline within the parameters of trail replacement, or have you guys pretty much tapped that out? I have to say the whole trail system is fantastic and really nice after the added trails in the winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJsnoozer View Post
    That makes sense. They are spreading all of the wood chippings at the top of the dam road. Not a problem, just an observation. Its not like anyone is ever doing anything there but trying to catch their breath.

    Is there any possibility for trail between the new fire break and powerline within the parameters of trail replacement, or have you guys pretty much tapped that out? I have to say the whole trail system is fantastic and really nice after the added trails in the winter.
    We will evaluate the situation once the Fire Department is done with their work. Efforts will be made to close off corridors that have been opened by the fire break work if the corridors present erosion concerns. If some of the corridors make sense for trails, we will work with PARD to make them official.

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    FYI, looks like the little trail leading from the main parking lot trailhead down to the creek is getting closed.

    From ARR FB post, "Walnut Creek Trail update:
    Today the Parks Department closed two short sections of trail at Walnut Creek Park. PARD stated that they made the decision to close the two sections based on complaints. The two sections of trail closed had exposure to cliff drop offs up to 30' and at least one incident of an individual falling off the trail along one of these trail segments has been reported. Austin Ridge Riders was advised, but not involved in the decision and implementation of the closures. One of the trail closures (pictured) is a short section of trail above Tar Branch Creek just below the main parking lot. The other section closed is on a bluff above Wells Branch Creek on the middle section Severe Consequences Loop. Both trails closed are fairly short and have existing alternate trails parallel to them."
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