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    Does that mean they are going to close hale bop and slider, too? Without rhino the only way to ride those would be down slider and up hale bop.
    Don't know about Slider...but Hale Bop is still good. From what I understand...the new trail runs from MCC to Cameron Park and the MCC Loop...intersecting at Hale Bop, if that makes sense. I'll try and find out the official "reroute". I think they are closing most of Rhino because of the falling trees and mud.

    Also...I heard this weekend that Ho Chi Minh may be history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speelunker
    Also...I heard this weekend that Ho Chi Minh may be history.
    NO!!!!!

    Losing Rhino is not a huge deal as long they leave a way to enjoy Hale Bop and Slider. When will they be implementing these changes on a permanent basis?
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    From what I understand (this is second hand info mind you), Ho Chi Minh and some of the other “double black diamond” areas are not ridden enough…and due to erosion and lack of upkeep, are becoming very hazardous. Don’t know when, or for sure, if it will really happen.

    Rhino is definitely going to be closed.

    When will they be implementing these changes on a permanent basis?
    The timeline on the new trail is iffy right now. Originally…it was to be part of the race in March…so it was a high priority. But, from what I understand, plans fell through on the use of some of the facilities at MCC…so it may no longer need to be completed before race time.

    By the way…this new trail is supposed to be something special. 12 foot log bridge over a deep “crevasse”…parts of the trail with drop offs on the sides of the trail so steep that if you fell…you could actually seriously injure yourself. It’s been described as something that will be unique in Texas…almost North Shore like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speelunker
    From what I understand (this is second hand info mind you), Ho Chi Minh and some of the other “double black diamond” areas are not ridden enough…and due to erosion and lack of upkeep, are becoming very hazardous. Don’t know when, or for sure, if it will really happen.
    Ok, that would suck. They are double black because they are on the more techincal side. They aren't any more dangerous than they have ever been. I would be happy to volunteer to maintain them.

    Don't really care about ho chi minh, though. It doesn't connect up with the other trails very well.

    Some of the easier trails(shyst and rio peprido[?]) have way worse problems with erosion than the blacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wumpus
    Ok, that would suck. They are double black because they are on the more techincal side. They aren't any more dangerous than they have ever been. I would be happy to volunteer to maintain them.

    Don't really care about ho chi minh, though. It doesn't connect up with the other trails very well.

    Some of the easier trails(shyst and rio peprido[?]) have way worse problems with erosion than the blacks.
    Shit! I'll drive down from DFW to help you Chris.

    Ho Chi Minh, while one of my favorites, is not near as dangerous as Thor, Skidmark, or Slider even. From what I remember, Rio Perdido has some of the worst errosion issues of any trail in the park, but that doesn't make the closure list.

    Closing Rhino for a serious injury trail might not be the wisest thing. Hale Bop, while tough is very ridable for most folks. At least going down. When you get to the bottom it provides an easier way to connect folks to the River Trail. If you eliminate that you essentially keep "lesser" riders from enjoying that end of the park. That's a bad move imo.
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    Like I said...I don't know for sure about the double diamonds, didn't hear that from the Cameron Park people...but from some of the folks in the club who work on the trails.

    I don't think the new trail will be all that technical or really dangerous...but more of "rush"...something different.

    I haven't seen the new trail yet...but I am supposed to help with it this weekend. I'll try and get a map of the new trail and the routes...and post it ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speelunker
    I haven't seen the new trail yet...but I am supposed to help with it this weekend. I'll try and get a map of the new trail and the routes...and post it ASAP.
    I've ridden about half(?) of it. It is a workout -- more of a xc trail, though. Some tight switchbacks up and down. I hope they are going to include some technical features.


    Kevin, Since I can't make the workday(kiddos b-day party), could you ask the rangers about the blacks and maybe volunteering for their upkeep? Thanks


    I would even lead a skills ride if people were interested in learning to ride them.

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    Kevin, Since I can't make the workday(kiddos b-day party), could you ask the rangers about the blacks and maybe volunteering for their upkeep? Thanks
    Not a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wumpus
    I've ridden about half(?) of it. It is a workout -- more of a xc trail, though. Some tight switchbacks up and down.
    That means its gonna be pretty tough!
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    What time is the workday??? Chris - can you send me an email??? I may come up and help and then ride. That may mean that I can't ride with the dallas folk, but I can volunteer you for the work on doubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loco
    What time is the workday??? Chris - can you send me an email??? I may come up and help and then ride. That may mean that I can't ride with the dallas folk, but I can volunteer you for the work on doubles.

    Guess I should revive this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride4Beer
    That means its gonna be pretty tough!

    I was riding the Banshee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wumpus
    Guess I should revive this thread.
    Given the location described in that thread, how's it gonna connect to the bottom of Hale Bop and Slider and then continue on around to the River?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride4Beer
    Given the location described in that thread, how's it gonna connect to the bottom of Hale Bop and Slider and then continue on around to the River?
    I'm going to wait and see. I just don't see a feasible option if they take out rhino. Highlander is suppose to run from the top of slider to the beginning of MCC trail unless they have changed their minds and decided to bring it back to the bottom of hale bop along the hillside by rhino.

    One, would be to make some crazy switchback climb thing where slider is.

    The second, would involve cutting trail somewhere from the bottom of Thor.

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    I'm glad you say that. I just couldn't picture how that was all going to work out. And cutting trail at the bottom of Thor? That just doesn't seem prudent.
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    OK...I just talked to someone who has been working on the new trail "Highlander". Highlander does start at the top of Slider, and will end up around the end of the MCC trail near the marina.

    The closing of Rhino is not official...but has just been talked about. Thinking about it...it just doesn't make sense...because you would loose that bottom part of Hale Bop...which is a really nice trail.

    Sorry about any misinformation. What I originally understood was that Highlander was to be a bypass...so that Rhino whould not have to be used when it gets bad...and it (Rhino) would eventually be phased out because of all the problems down there.

    Again...the Ho Chi Minh thing is just talk.

    Next time, I'll try and get the facts straight...but you know...it's the nature of the business that I'm in to just go with what you got

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    Thursday, Dec 9

    Trails are in pretty good shape considering all the rain. Lots of leaves on the trails. Roots are dry; some DGRs. Ride with caution.

    MCC-River Trail loop -- Muddy; do not ride.

    Log Jump on Rhino -- Mud puddle in the landing zone; Creek is flowing.

    Bat Cave -- Definetly rideable.

    Thor -- Leaf covered and probably slick. Some big rocks in the drop. Not the time to try it for the first time.

    River trail -- puddles here and there.

    Mix Master -- Creek is flowing and wide. Runoff from Buzzard/Erect area.

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    I hate the f***ing DGR's. With the leaf cover...they can be a mother.

    Like Wumpus said...MCC is way too muddy, but folks have been riding it...you can see the ruts.

    Best trail (condition wise)for me today was Act of Faith. But every trail had the DGR's of course.

    Good news...no rain through next week. With any luck this will be a DRY winter.

    By the way...if the weatherman gets a new bike (just arrived today)...the Sun shines!!!

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    Thanks for the updates guys. We will be there on Saturday. Anyone is more than welcome to join us. Redwood Shelter at 9:00 am.
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    The trails are in great shape.

    A little leaf cover and some DGRs.

    Couple of water crossings: mix master and rhino.

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