Thread: Be a good citizen

Attention fellow MOJOites: I called the Red Cross to see how I can assist in helping out with the tragedy that our nation has endured at the hands of some cowardly @#$%&*@. They asked that I please spread the word that due to the extensive number of injuries, there will be a shortage of blood. Please be a good citizen and donate blood. The Blood and Tissue Center will be open until 9:00 p.m. tonight and may extend it's hours throughout the week. It is located on IH-10 West between Vance Jackson and Crossroads Avenue.

If for some reason you are unable to donate blood, PLEASE HELP SPREAD THE WORD!

i gave blood but they gave it back to me because of the high bacon content.

i'm trying to step back and see this on a larger scale.

i wouldn't say they were cowardly....they gave their lives. few if any of the folks who live in the states really understand the laws and religious structures of the Mid-East.

one of the arabs at the corner store mentioned that they take more personal offense at certain things because it's not so much the land but their god that gets the finger. ya know?

maybe i should have posted this under the other thread? *shrugs shoulders*

OK, so I really don't want to debate the issue with you, but I will say this: those who choose to attack and kill innocent people to inflict fear and terror to further their cause are cowards. You are right, i do not understand the laws and paradigms of those in the middle east, although I did spend a summer in Saudi Arabia. Perhaps a less cowardly manner of making a statement would have been to attack military targets rather than people like you and I who are going about their daily business and have done nothing against their cause or GOD.

Whether you think so or not, the world as we know it has changed forever.

JUST FREAKING DONATE BLOOD!

"those who choose to attack and kill innocent people to inflict fear and terror to further their cause are cowards", couldn't this also be said of the US?

anyway, i don't feel like debating either.

i'm not even a member of the level of government that deals with this sort of thing. that's not to say they are competent but i'm sure there are a few who know what is really going on. we must have pissed off some bad ass MoFos.

Carlos, am I gonna have to inflict FEAR and TERROR on YOU?

alright, i'll head on down there and try to give them my bacon saturated blood.

i'd be interested in seeing the news from the Mid East. what's their take?

actually, the problem lies in misunderstood literature. although all the violent acts are backked by their koran, it is actually not so. the religion of the koran has been misunderstood as marxism was misunderstood. the koran preaches peace and a different interpretation than what is practiced. unfortunatley, for generations, men in power have twisted its meaning and created a violent following that has existed for countless generations.

as far as what happened hear today - being informed through family and friends involved in upper gov't, this is partly the fault of budget cutbacks that began years ago. people don't understand that the budget cutbacks has affected pay offs of securtiy surveilence that allow the US to maintain its intelligence. unfortunately, the US is involved in many things that they have no business in, but we must stay and defend what we are in. good news, the european community supports us for the most part. bad news, there are enemies of the state within the borders. worse even, some are americans.

either way you argue or your point of view is, the financial state of the world was slowed today, americans find out our vulnerability, and our children are confused as diversity has to be explained as to why it is good.

my worry, don't harbour hatred for a people, harbour contempt for those who choose to continue to attack and celebrate the deaths of thousands of our brothers and sisters.

my views are strong, but i have family in harms way - those in the club and those i ride with that are in the military. many don't understand what gov't is about if you're not conected to it by family ties or have close friends that deal with the everyday b.s. that is the world.

it goes without saying that i offer my full support, love, and prayers to all those that have suffered a lose today. also, all those that are in the military and gov't, i send you my support and best wishes! i know what it's like to be in hostile territory where all wait for orders to DEFEND OUR COUNTRY!!!

from what i understand these are ultra radical sects (Bin Landen's group) who do not represent any government or religious organization in the Mid East.

i've heard (read: read) a lot of people on non-biking boards condeming whole nations.

from my readings, bin is a radical that fights against the jews and any affiliates in the name of anonymity. but, that anonymity is sponsored by several gov'ts. you pick which ones they are. bin has not been living in a neutral country/countries. his faction gets money and protection from several gov'ts with a certain religious strength.

[SIZE=4]THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT DONATING BLOOD! Did anyone catch that?

yep, unfortunately, i can't give, but i'm spreading the word. this has hit home as i'm awaiting word from 2 friends of mine that work at the trade center that is no more. it's also a difficult issue not to reply to.

"his faction gets money and protection from several gov'ts with a certain religious strength.", hmmmm....i wonder.

I see your point about using the word cowardly, Carlos. It always puzzled me a little as well. It seems to be the standard reply to acts of terroism now.

Compare a suicide mission where you crash a plane into a building to destroy it to launching a missle from thousands of miles away to destroy a target. I can see how the former would take extreme dedication and belief in your cause. This act may be dispicable but not cowardly(at least for the grunts who do the dirty work).



Of course using the missle is a lot smarter and safer. Safer for both our military personel and for innocent civilians in the vicinity of our military targets.

Don't think I condone attacking innocent civilians. I think this practice is dispicable weather terroist or governments are the perpetrators.

BTW, do you know who trained Mr. Bin Laden?




DONATE BLOOD!

Donate blood or $$ to the red cross

another option for those scared of needles or who have Hyperbaconemia.

The word 'cowardly' isn't being used to describe the idiots that actually committed the acts, it's being used to describe the forces that encouraged and allowed those idiots to act. Cowardly as in attacking innocent people without warning. Cowardly as in committing such an act and then running and hiding.

Maybe shooting a missile doesn't require the same level of commitment as participating in a suicide mission, but in my lifetime, I can't ever remember the US intentionally shooting missiles at someone without prior notification. We even gave Iraq the date that we planned to attack.

At least when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, we could tell by the planes who our enemy was. Now, we have probably 10,000 innocent people killed and no one will own up to it. Someone who will take the time and resources to plan such a horrible act and then hide is a coward in my book.

I think this event will fundamentally change life as we know it. I think it will limit our freedoms, drastically change our relationships with the rest of the world, most likely have a devastating impact on our economy, and destroy our sense of safety and security. 600 million lives changed - and the people/groups/countries -truly- responsible for it are nowhere to be found. Is that not cowardly?

Originally posted by Chris aka Killer
BTW, do you know who trained Mr. Bin Laden?

I read this question as rhetorical. Definitely food for thought.

Originally posted by chief
actually, the problem lies in misunderstood literature

Actually I think that it all begins with US Foreign Policy in the Middle East.

I found an interesting magazine article published not even 6 weeks ago.....

http://www.weeklystandard.com/magazi...at_6_43_01.asp

Originally posted by Chris aka Killer
BTW, do you know who trained Mr. Bin Laden?

And for those that don't know:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...3/214858.shtml

If you remember back we aslo trained Sudam Hussein along with Manuel Noreiga. The pattern is pretty scary...

I served in the Air Force and took part in Operation Just Cause in Panama, and Desert Shield/Storm, I think that in a way we were basically cleaning up some of our countries mistakes which I think we have an obligation to do.

Aas far as terrorism, the whole thing is cowardly in the fact that they attack the people that have little to do with what they see as the problem in the first place, the innocent lives that cannot defend against such an attack. I know this has changed me and only hope that it changes others and maybe we will wake up and see more of the world now.

"BTW, do you know who trained Mr. Bin Laden?", according to Tom Clancy and Former Director of Naval Intelligence, the CIA gave him, boht securities and covet ops training. interesting.

Charlie Rose had an inteview with a few folks and Tom Clancy last night (no video of the crash playing every minute). he and two other folks on the panel mentioned, it was thier belief, that Bin Laden is Sadam's puppet.

TechniKal, i'm not a historian but didn't the US colonies win a few decisive battles by shotting, and then running and hiding for cover. against the British i think? what about the "ghosts", black ops agents who use a laser to "paint" a target selected for nulclear attack? these guys make things easy by not having to send several thousand troops, tanks, and air support. i wouldn't call them cowards.

"Every alert, particularly when it panics U.S.
military and diplomatic personnel, sends an adrenaline rush into the central nervous system of men truly convinced that with God's help and the right explosives they can crack the will of the infidels who are, in their eyes, destroying the one true faith." ---the article alan found

with god on your side, how could you possibly go wrong. to the folks in their group, they're proably seen as martyrs or canidates for sainthood.

Then let them show their faces and I'll personally see to it that they meet Allah........... When we engage in a military conflict, the US forces do everything in their power to see to it civilians are not targeted and colateral damage is minimized. These asshole intentionaly targeted tens of thousands of INNOCENT civilians. Carlos, I would keep your opinions to yourself on this one lest you come across as defending their cause. Or are you?