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    Quote Originally Posted by Toobin' Tobin View Post
    As I drove through the city the highway signs read: This way to Chicago, This way to Columbus, This way to Detriot, This way to Louisville, This way to St. Louis, This way to Dayton, Columbus, Cincinatti.
    What they were really saying was "get the hell outta indy, it sucks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsalbre View Post
    That Rigormootis is awesome. I want a 29er wth 4" wide tires. It'd be heavy as hell, but it would be like a monster truck, nothing could stop it.
    It looks a lot like Mike Curiak's Ididarod Trail bike. And the endomorph's are = to a 29" OD, it is just the ID that's 26"... making it a bit stronger than a 29" wheel. The don't roll very well though, I have a bunch of friends with "Fat Fronts" and I was in the process of building one up, but $ became an issue.... anywho neat bike if you live in the snow belt.

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    i'm probably the wrong person to be writing this since i thought the idea of moving the show to indianapolis was not so good. not because of indianapolis the city....but because of the _type_ of city it is......small with a small cycling community and a bit tough for for evening fun for those from south of the 33rd or 32nd parallel.

    a lot of what was down town was also centered around tourism...from what i could see......so it was difficult to get a feel for the city from a mall, hotels, or people watching since most were from out of town.

    and this is not so much a slam on indianapolis cause this could also be said if the show had been here in SA. there is a cycling culture but it's not like that of some of the cities on the east or west cost.

    but the decision was made so there it is.



    the flight it was short, which was nice since, i cant seem to sit longer than 2 hours on a plane without getting uncomfortable. once in town it seemed as though there was not much difference in terms of look to indianapolis from sa. similar rural and suburban areas surrounding a smallish downtown area. very similar to sa. about the same population numbers and miles squared for those metropolitan statistics enthusiasts.



    rooms at a local hyatt had been blocked for the show attendees who signed up early with a special rate to boot. rotating restaurant on top. with highs in the 30s i was glad this place way only a block from the show.





    the hotel, the convention center, the mall, a movie theater, and a few other buildings were connected by walkways which made it possible to get form place to place without going outside.....convenient.



    from the walkway i could see that the old RCA dome had been demolished and the new lucas oil stadium built and open for business.....i wonder if they had the same dome dirt issues?





    friday was a bit slow. most were talking about saturday though as there was rumor that a shitload of tickets had been sold that neared the number from nahbs portland.

    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    i'm still uploading to flickr so i'll post a link when it's all done.

    upsetting to some builders was the inclusion of non builders showing things they (or their employees) didn't make......i'm skipping over those since that's not what this show was about....but i'll include them in the photo sets.....

    DeSalvo (mike center) was there.....showing a max tubed road frame with some very cool graphics......




    all metal record kit......









    mike's 10th anniv. frame which will be limited to 30......









    Kent Erikson......nice stuff as always......





    650B frames for hardtail and FS.....





    29ers for hardtail and FS........







    impeccable work.....

    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    Bilenky.....alway interesting colors and solutions to mounting things to the frame.....







    Cyfac has been around along time and have now gone to a handmade operation with a handful of employees in france. a cool semi or full custom alternative, in the business as usual, sub kilo carbon world.....












    Signal Cycles.....inventive but never outlandish.....







    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    more from Signal Cycles.....










    while Dario didn't have his own booth but there were several Pegorettis around....





    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    Amazing Photos

    Thanks for sharing Carlos


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    Ahearne and MAP had some cool stuff.......








    Zullo of Italy and Yipsan of Colorado....








    True Fabrication and Kirklee both from texas.....










    it's at this point that i became so hungry that my stomach started to suck up against my spine......there were several steak houses in down that seemed to have good reputation but asking around i got the sense that they had since been in decline.....

    so down three long blocks......



    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    Weeg...no prob.....


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    to the place where consistency is never a bad word......same as always.....colossal shrimp alexander, potatoes lyonnaise, and a bone in ribeye medium +.






    i was hungry....almost forgot to take a pic before it was all gone.....







    so friday was not too bad......decent turn out for the show but not what most expected.....but some gorgeous bikes......lots of skill on show.....
    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    i got to the show early on saturday since there were still booths that i hadn't visted and wanted to be around when the rush of people began......


    October was a new one from boston.....





    nice to see paint on a parlee......






    unusual color for a sadilah......







    i didn't want to leave the show for lunch so i decided to stay until the end as i did on friday......

    first stop richard sachs....the red on these bikes looks nothing like it does in the pictures......










    and a parting gift!

    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    Alchemy......currently in San Antonio.....












    kirk frame works.......








    Hufnagel....








    Black sheep fab...........

    if 29 is good then 26 is better......



    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    Chris King and Nick Crumpton talking headsets.....





    Cielo frames by Chris King......limited edition based on how much time he has per year (could be 5 or 20).

    the while one in this booth was the only one fabricated by chris....the others are fabricated by current king employees who were already skilled in brazing and were selected by chris himself.

    estimated cost for the frame/fork made by chris is $5000 - $7000







    more pics later......
    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    Is that blue Cielo for Yao Ming or something?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Weeg View Post
    Is that blue Cielo for Yao Ming or something?



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    LOL

    Or this



    It is not a Cielo, though.
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    Saw this on roadbikereviews...






    looks like a weapon
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    DeSalvo's really doing it for me lately.
    And what they wanted, Was his eternal Slowdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -dustin View Post
    DeSalvo's really doing it for me lately.
    Honestly yes I agree heartily. There is a real elegance and simplicity to the road bikes...all the blurred lines of carbon road frames look so bulky and crass by comparison. The DeSalvo's were all so spare and inviting....they just beg to be ridden.

    The signal's were very inventive and functionally elegant. Lord, don't let Eve see those wine racks or she'll never pass another day sober.

    Finally it was amazing to me how for Hufnagel it was not merely enough to create the bike itself but to then go and, instead of treating racks as a generic utilitarian bolt-on, to put as much (or more) energy and inspiration into the racks.

    Really these photos are inspiring and illustrate what potential exists for a bicycle outside of the assembly line...and a slick corporate marketing scheme.
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    bru!sin...it's the owners daily ride......


    -dustin....more to come.....



    TangerineDream.....it's interesting to read that since most of these fabricators do things the same way.....someone comes to them for what they do (not to tell them what to make)...a deposit is taken and the whole money thing is put aside by the builder. then the magic happens.

    the only drag is that there were a lot of "show" bikes there......the show is supposed to be a realistic representation of what the builder does......not toss anything and everything you can do on one bike.....



    speaking of........the dude from peacock groove built some outlandish stuff.....and in the case of the first one......HEAVY METAL!!!!!!!!!




    also.....








    a super cool poster.....and cool bikes too.......



    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    continuation from saturday.......


    engin.....








    de rosa was there with some eyesores......






    but they did have one bad ass neo primato......next years version will come with a flat crown rather than this out of place slope shoulder one.....otherwise...this is one of my favorites......





    courage was there with their children's museum themed booth......cool to see the bits in various stages of processing.....






    and a 16 lbs. cross bike.....

    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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    i never really got around to every single booth and i did miss this one on the first three passes....




    new packages with more detailed information should make most mechanics work easier when selecting a chain.....






    more reinventing the wheel......








    effecto mariposa (italy) had some really cool stuff on hand.....




    nice for cutting anything carbon.....






    torque wrenches for mostly carbon stuff but that don't cost $300......just $150 with bits....




    and some seemingly superior sealant.....but unlike notubes....this is guaranteed NOT to be corrosive to the rim.

    It’s impossible to rate welding/brazing quality by looking at a finished frame joint, even an unpainted one. Files, sandblasting, and a good paint job can take care of that. Such a joint will look stellar unpainted, but won’t last. Yet people all the time look at frames and say, “Nice welding/brazing…” The point isn’t to make you paranoid, just to stop saying things like, “That’s nice welding/brazing,” when you see a painted/unpainted frame. -- Grant Petersen

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