Cameron Park Trail Conditions

[Wumpus]

We got .25" of rain last night. Trails are probably muddy.

The trails were nearly dry yesterday. The new addition to California(cedar log bridges area) is staying muddy, but packing down nicely. The lower elevations were muddy/tacky. River Trail was nearly dry.

[Wumpus]

Well, it is Thursday night and we just got some more rain. Sixty percent chance for rain Fri night and Sat. Looks like no riding this weekend.

Friday morning, light rain and we are under a flood watch until Sat morning.

[BigSur]

What is the rain conditions there? I am in Dallas and thinking of heading down there tomorrow morning. Will the trails be dry or muddy.

thanks,
Jason

[Wumpus]

Originally posted by BigSur
What is the rain conditions there? I am in Dallas and thinking of heading down there tomorrow morning. Will the trails be dry or muddy.

thanks,
Jason

Cameron will be muddy--the lower trails and the river trail esp. Don't really think it will be rideable. It was still a little damp before the rain started yesterday.

I don't like getting muddy so with no more rain, I might try Sunday evening.

[Wumpus]

5 PM Friday night and the rain is just starting. Looks like we are going to get quite a bit.

half inch of rain. Road ride time?

[Wumpus]

Rain stopped early Sat morning. Bright moon it was. Full day of sun should do the trails some good. Probably go hike them tomorrow to see how they are drying.

[Wumpus]

What is up with this weather?

We just got another half inch. Well, no riding till at least Monday evening maybe Tuesday.

It's still raining at 8AM.

0.68" for the day and 3.73" for the month.

[Wumpus]

Trails should be looking good. Two days of mostly dry weather. Riding tomorrow evening.

[Wumpus]

Cameron was almost dry tonight(wed). Still some mud on the lower trails and some of the shaded climbs were slick. Very rideable.

[robster]

Cool.

See ya there.

[Wumpus]

Trails are sweet. Few muddy spots on the river trail and really low spots.

Climber kicked my butt. I think he could have done another lap. He also got to see me eat it on Batcave(doubleblack).

Beer was good.

[Wumpus]

Trails are dry as a bone. Corners are pretty loose. Dust mask time.

[Wumpus]

Had a good ride Sunday morning then the rains came. I would imagine that it got a little sloppy.

Probably be excellent conditions for the next couple of days if it stops raining today before it dries to a bone.

[Wumpus]

More rain today. The TV station said nearly an inch today. Riding is going to be good for a few days.

[Wumpus]

Wednesday July 9 -- Trails are dry. River trail has a few mudholes.

[Wumpus]

Trails are dry. Bring dust mask.

Oh, watch out for the lovely horse droppings.

[Wumpus]

We had some nice rain. Trails were rideable. Only a little muddy on the river trail and the new section of California.

[Wumpus]

Rode with the guys from Killeen/Temple. Trail was in pretty good shape. Not too sandy.

[Wumpus]

Three tenths of an inch of rain Sat(8/9) afternoon. Trails should be rideable Sunday afternoon. Hopefully in excellent condition for my Monday evening ride.

BTW-If you think you know the trails, slap a light on your bike and try them in the dark just watch for all the spiders.

[Wumpus]

Trails were nice last night. A few trees and limbs blown down. Big one at the start of Johnie. 85F sure feels nice.

[Wumpus]

Trails are sweet. The 1.5" of rain did wonders. New trail to try. Hardly anybody on the trails after the incident--bummer.

[Wumpus]

Trails are in great shape. Doesn't look like they got any of the rain that pummeled my hood yesterday.

Benefits of starting your ride at 7am on a Saturday morning--Baylor Women's Cross Country Team. Oh, it is also mighty cool, but the humidity must be close to 100%.

Non-benefits--Clearing the countless spider webs.

Benefits--Mist rising from the river as the sun comes up.

Non-benefit--Not being able to see the trail as you try to climb California.

[Wumpus]

Just to let you know, the Northern Little League Lighting Project is underway. This means that the hike/bike trails behind this area (Outback/Baseball Fields) and or immediately surrounding this area, will be under construction and closed off to the public from now until Oct. 9.

We will be getting with the construction people tomorrow and coordinating a trail safety plan to keep people off of the area. If you have any questions regarding this project, please feel free to call Teresa Carlisle, she is our park planner and would be more than happy to field your questions. Her number is 750-8091.

Please pass this info on to the club.

Thanks,

Nora Schell
Cameron Park Ranger Service

[Wumpus]

They have redesigned the race course. It is now longer 10-12 miles with 1200 ft+ of climbing per lap. Some new trails have been added(Cave of the Minotaur and Nellie's Trail?) along with incorporating some trails not used before--California and Arroyo. The start is now by Jacob's Ladder(Redwood Shelter).

[loco]

I rode with Wumpus last night and the trails were good. There are far too many climbs in this park though. I want someone to level things out. Can I call a work day?;)

[Wumpus]

The trails are sweet. Tacky and not a mud puddle to be found. Best conditions I have seen since spring.

btw-found a computer last Thursday. Identify and it is yours.

[Wumpus]

Mojo ride this morning. Trails were in great condition.

[Wumpus]

Another great late summer ride. What can I say?

[Wumpus]

Trails are getting a little dry and loose. Rain is in the forecast for Thursday and Friday. Too bad, I probably won't be able to ride this weekend.

[Wumpus]

The trails are nice. The rain really packed them down. Traction is wonderful. The leaves are starting to fall.

We got quite a bit of rain last week, and it looks like a few folks decided to ride them before they were ready.:(

[Wumpus]

Son of a biscuit. It poured yesterday evening. Flash Flood warnings and all. Probably be a good couple of days before Cameron SHOULD be ridden.


Club ride Sunday morning at 8am. Gotta love those early morning spider cleaning rides.

[Wumpus]

Ground is still tacky. Should be perfect riding on Sunday. River Trail may be a muddy in a few spots.

[Wumpus]

Sunday morning the rain began at 8:30. I would imagine that Cameron is pretty much unrideable--It definitely would not be fun. Can we all say Slimerock?

[Wumpus]

Trails are in excellent shape. Packed down and very little dust.:)

All except that one corner that I washed my front wheel out and did my best impression of superman.:eek:


Wish people wouldn't ride the new section of California when it is wet or learn how to corner without skidding. The trail is getting rutted.:mad:

[Wumpus]

Trails are nice and dry. Not too dusty. Park was busy this evening.

[Wumpus]

Beautiful day. Sun shining through the trees. Mid 60's. Trails in excellent condition.

[Wumpus]

Sat and Sun morning rides. Beautiful weather. Sweet Trails. The leaves are falling, and we even have some flowers blooming in the woods.

[Wumpus]

Had a short but good ride last night in the drizzle.

Two inches of rain last night and this morning should make Cameron pretty nasty til Saturday.

For those of you that don't know: Cameron can be very dangerous when it is wet. The limestone rocks and bridges are slick as ice when damp.

[Wumpus]

Rode Cameron Sat at noon. Cut my ride short. The trail is slick and dangerous.

[Wumpus]

Nobody showed up for the Sunday Morning Ride at 8am. Don't know why it; it was a balmy 48F. Did an easy hour loop.

Trails are in great shape. The leaves are falling. The river was steaming. And the flowers are blooming.

[Wumpus]

The trails are in pretty good. A little loose in spots--mostly climbs. The leaf cover is pretty thick in spots, but doesn't seem to be any problem.

[Wumpus]

Trails are dry and dusty, but in good shape.

Some Baylor folks were out picking up trash today.

[Wumpus]

Trails are dry to slightly damp. Roots and rocks are dry. Traction is excellent. Leaf litter in quite a few spots but not a problem. Some of the bridges are damp which makes them slippery--use caution.

[chief]

http://www.ruralvermont.com/graphics/farmer.jpg

[Wumpus]

Trails are wet but rideable. Roots are slippery. The rocks are questionable.

More rain on the way.

I am going running.

[Wumpus]

It is fall. The trails are covered with leaves. Sometimes thickly and they can be slick in spots.

Trails are nice and tacky.

[Wumpus]

Trails are tacky. Rocks were slightly damp but not very slick. The climb out of the bridges on California was a little muddy. A lot of leaves on the trails.

[flbikerman]

It dries out quick there doesn't it?

[Wumpus]

In the winter, it usually takes two days to dry to a rideable condition after a rain. If we get a couple a days of rain, it can be 4 or five days.

In the summer, it is usually rideable the second day after the rain.

[Wumpus]

Trails were great Sunday. Watch out for blown down branches. No rain yet today.

The outback trail had about five busted bottles in the middle of the trail. Going to take a small broom on the wednesday ride and clean it up.

[Bear]

Tanks for the report Wumpus - intending on coming up Friday, hopefully weather will be good.

[Bear]

Conditions today were almost perfect - just too danged foggy this morning, with a slight breeze making it just a shade cool.

Trail conditions were dry to dusty, even along the river trail, so no problems there.

[BaileyBoo]

I am planing on a road trip from Houston to ride Cameron the Friday (1/2). We had a lot of rain here, Sunday and wouldn't think about ride today. Anyway just sending out a feeler weather ;) to make the trip. I know it is early for Friday's weather but will check posting this week.
thanks

[Wumpus]

Trails were in excellent condition. We only got a little rain on Saturday night.


50% chance of rain on Thursday. Trails are not fun when wet.

[Wumpus]

Trails were dry and still powdery in spots. We got a lite drizzle this morning, but by the time I went riding at 4 P.M. everything was dry.

40% chance of rain tonight.

[Wumpus]

Some idiots thought it would be cool to lay a bunch of logs across the "Outback".




If you don't like the trails the way they are, then go buy your own land.



Still no rain. Trails are pretty dry and taking a beating from people riding the race course.

[Wumpus]

Trails were still dry, dusty and leaf covered last night.

They lowered the river(lake brazos) so there is a wonderful wet earth smell as you cruise the river trail.

When I started the ride, they were pulling a car from the river. I think they find at least one every year.

[Wumpus]

Found at least three cars in the river this year. At least none of them had bodies in them.

[Wumpus]

Trails are tacky to slightly muddy. The roots are dry. The rocks are dry to slightly slick. I would suggest a more robust tire to deal with the slight mud/dirt packing on the rear. Pythons might not be a good choice.

Rivers still down@10feet. Adds a little fun to the river trail as you get to see how much of a drop there is into the river.

[Wumpus]

.2" of rain today.

The rangers have closed the trails.

I would imagine from what I saw that it will be Monday or Tuesday before they are rideable if the big storm on the radar doesn't get here.

More rain would make it Wednesday or Thursday before they open.

[Wumpus]

Been dry, windy and sunny for the last couple of days the trails should be in prime shape. Will be doing a night ride this evening. Hopefully with Loco.

[Wumpus]

Rode last night and the trail was in pretty good condition. Mostly dry; few damp spots and the leaves are still there.

[Wumpus]

Rode Tuesday night. Trails were in great shape. The leaves are slowly disappearing. Slightly muddy on the river trail.


Raining now on Wednesday. Right now just a lite rain(.04").

[Wumpus]

Trekky was supposed to come ride Cameron with me today, but we decided to cancel do to the weather forecast. Well, never trust a weatherman, as sunday dawned bright and clear. Recovering from my bout with the mystery virus, I was waffling about riding as omninous clouds built in and the temps creeped through the 50's. Finally decided to head out around noon and as I pulled into the Park the Sun popped out. Unloaded the bike and I was off.

Bunch of folks were out riding today.

Trails range from dry, hardpack to wet and covered in leaves. Quite a few trees down on the trails. Hope they get them cleared up before the race or there will be some cyclocross spots.

[Wumpus]

We received nearly 2" of rain yesterday and this morning. Trails may be rideable Saturday afternoon after the half marathon.

[Wumpus]

Waco got a half inch of rain today to make a grand total of an inch in the last 48 hours.

If it sunny Fri and Sat they should be fine for Sunday. Saturday will probably still be slick. Friday will definitely be in the absolutely no fun catergory.

[Wumpus]

Got to ride with Chuck, Dirtface and Krys-10(?) today.

A lot of riders out today. Saw the Trek team van and the subura-gary fisher auto.

Trails are in great shape - fast and tacky. There are a few slippery rocks on the climbs.

[Wumpus]

Rained lightly Monday night and heavily Tuesday night. There is quite a bit of standing water on the river trail and rhino is pretty muddy. There is flowing water at the mix master. The upper trails are damp and tacky and in awesome shape. There is mud in a few spots where the water drains over the trail mostly in corners. The rocks are still slick, but a good tire will minimize slipping. Sitting while climbing kept slippage to a minimum.


Cave of the Minotaur is no more. The trail was blocked by brush this morning.

[Wumpus]

Trails were in great shape. A few slippery rocks on the climbs. Water puddles still on the river trail.

[spaz]

How are things looking for a Monday ride?

[Wumpus]

Cold front Sunday night. Chance of rain 50%. So you got a fifty/fifty chance of having a good ride. ;)


Only rain we got this week was a little yesterday afternoon.

[Wumpus]

Cameron is in great shape. The trails are dry(but not loose), and the rocks are dry. Flowers blooming everywhere. Lite drizzle while riding, but it didn't even get the trails wet.

There really wasn't a bad except, I spun out on an uphill and have a little trail rash on my knee.

There must be a million worms in the park. They are everywhere. Had to stop every half mile to brush worms and webs off. I'm sure I ran into a couple hundred.

[Del Q]

Cameron is in great shape. The trails are dry(but not loose), and the rocks are dry. Flowers blooming everywhere. Lite drizzle while riding, but it didn't even get the trails wet.

There really wasn't a bad except, I spun out on an uphill and have a little trail rash on my knee.

There must be a million worms in the park. They are everywhere. Had to stop every half mile to brush worms and webs off. I'm sure I ran into a couple hundred.

What color are the worms?

[Wumpus]

What color are the worms?


We have some black one and some greens and some fat brown ones. They like to hang out at head height in large groups right smack in the middle of the trail. For a while I thought I could hear them landing on the ground, but I think it was rain.

[Wumpus]

The freaking worms are still here, and they are really starting to bug me.

Trails are in great shape.

Mucho thanks to whomever trimmed up outback and took care of the downed trees. Even left a log in the trail to ride over.

[trekophile]

wumpus, planning a ride probably the second week of April. Wanna hook up? I will more than likely have a new guy with me. He is all about riding. How do you think he will fair CP? I ask that because he's not in all that good of shape.

[Wumpus]

The worm invasion of 2004 is on the decline. Only a few late bloomers still hanging around.

Trails are going to be great this weekend. Slightly tacky to dry.

[Wumpus]

The worms are gone. The worms are gone, gone, gone. Yippee.

[Wumpus]

Trails are still damp from this weekends 3"+ of rain. Slime green rocks abound. Even water in the creeks at Mix Master and Rhino.

[Wumpus]

Trails are in great shape. Still water in the creeks. A few green rocks here and there. The recent rains have caused a spate of fallen trees so be careful flying around a corner as you might meet one. :endo:

[Wumpus]

Good ride today. Still water in the creeks. I think they are spring fed.

[Wumpus]

Trails are starting to dry out and getting loose. Still have a little flowing water in the creeks.

[Wumpus]

Trails are still packed down. Some slimestone here and there. Water flowing in the creeks again. Last rain/wind storm downed some quite sizeable trees, but they have been cleared.

[el_duderino]

Today?

[Wumpus]

We got over 3" of rain yesterday and 1 to 2" of rain Friday. It won't be good until at least Monday evening probably more like Tuesday.

[Wumpus]

Flowing water through mix master and down shyst(never seen that, but I guess that's what 10+ inches of rain will do). Trails were tacky and mucho DGR*. Going to be a few more days before everything is dried out.

Oh, did I mention the humidity?









*Damn green rocks

[Wumpus]

Trails in good shape. Hardly any DGR's. New log on the trail on Kite. Still water in the creeks.

Saw one of these crossing the river trail:

http://www.ultimatereptiles.com/CopperHead.JPG

[Wumpus]

Summer conditions are here. Still a little mud in some of the low area from the June flood.

[Bear]

I have GOT to GET back UP to THE other CP!!!!

[Wumpus]

No rain. Trails are pretty dry.

Ho chi minh has nasty water at the bottom.

Hear they are cutting a new trail off slider.

[Wumpus]

Trails are great. Weather is great. That is all.

[Wumpus]

Trails are nice and tacky. Skipped most of the rock so don't know how bad the DGRs are.

[Wumpus]

Trails are in great shape. Almost made that climb on California yesterday.

The little white flys that come out right at dusk suck.

[Wumpus]

We got some rain yesterday. No more and a litttle sun the trails should be on great shape tonight.

[flbikerman]

Wumpus:

Are you up for giving me a tour Thurs?

[Wumpus]

In the morning?

[flbikerman]

yeah, the morning will work. I'm coming from Sherman so not some insanely early in the morning time. Would 10 be to late?

[Wumpus]

10 is good.

Meet at the Redwood Shelter?

[flbikerman]

I've only been ther a couple of times. Not exactly sure where there redwood shelter is. If you tell me where to meet you and how to get there I'll meet you there. I drive a silver jeep and will have a yellow stumpjumper.

[Edster1000]

I saw one of those snakes up on california 56 today. It came up quick on me and I almost hit it, but luckly I didnt.

[Wumpus]

Over 3" of rain last night. Going to be a couple of days before the trails dry.

[Wumpus]

The rain really sanitized the trails. Some of them look like hike-a-bike trails. The power company also came and clear cut around all the towers.

Light rain on the way home. Looks like more to come. :(

[Wumpus]

The trails are in great shape.

[Wumpus]

This rain sucks.

[Wumpus]

Trails are in great shape. A few muddy spots on the lower trails. Most of the rocks are dry.

The rangers are building a new trail that start at the top of slider and does some tight switchback climbs and descents. The trail is planned to end at the beginning of the MCC Trail. It is still a work in progress so it is an out and back trail at the moment.

[Ride4Beer]

Trails are in great shape. A few muddy spots on the lower trails. Most of the rocks are dry.

The rangers are building a new trail that start at the top of slider and does some tight switchback climbs and descents. The trail is planned to end at the beginning of the MCC Trail. It is still a work in progress so it is an out and back trail at the moment.
Is it going to go down through that area that Hale Bopp runs around on the way down to the bottom?

[Wumpus]

Is it going to go down through that area that Hale Bopp runs around on the way down to the bottom?

It takes a left off of slider and is going to go along the ridge between MCC(the college) and Rhino.

[Ride4Beer]

It takes a left off of slider and is going to go along the ridge between MCC(the college) and Rhino.
NICE! That should be pretty tasty stuff!

[Wumpus]

Trail conditions:http://www.donwalkercycles.com/Photos/Chris/1stars.gif

Not only are there DGRs everywhere, but there is also DGD*.

About a third of the way down Shyst is a large cedar tree blocking the trail. I didn't make it that far, though. I went down hard on the off camber slime. Thought I had seperated my shoulder for a minute or two.







*DGD -- Damn green dirt.

[Wumpus]

I would imagine it is going 5 to 7 days without any rain to dry. It's been 3 so far.

The forecast isn't looking good.

[Edster1000]

I hate those green rocks, they are like Ice!!! I almost broke my tail bone on them the other day.

[Ride4Beer]

I would imagine it is going 5 to 7 days without any rain to dry. It's been 3 so far.

The forecast isn't looking good.
So what are our chances for Saturday?

[Wumpus]

So what are our chances for Saturday?

If it rains tomorrow(70 to 80% chance), I would say not so good.

The whole trail was slick Saturday and that was 72 hours after the last rain.

[Wumpus]

So what are our chances for Saturday?

Rained all day and is raining again.

[Ride4Beer]

So is there a chance or are we heading to CLE?

[Wumpus]

I still have standing water in the backyard. It is still going to be slick with a nice leafy covering.

There is no way I am going to try to ride there Saturday.

[Ride4Beer]

That's what I needed. You want to join us at Cleburne then?

[Wumpus]

No can do. I have to head the other way.

[Speelunker]

Huge rockslide on River Trail. Rocks the size of cars blocking the trail. You have to climb over to get to MCC Loop and Rhino.

Large tree blocking Rhino…you have to climb over to get to Hale Bop or vice versa.

[Speelunker]

The park rangers have closed the trails to riding. :(

Here is part of an e-mail.....asked to be passed on.

Our park rangers have asked for me to send out this email concerning Cameron Park. It seems that the park is extremely wet and River Trail is flooded and unridable. Two of the bridges on the River Trail are completely submerged. To prevent more damage or injury, it needs time to drain and no traffic. They are letting water out of Lake Whitney and Lake Waco, so the river is flowing fast and has taken up temporary residency on the River Trail.

Don't know if this is only River Trail or entire park. My guess is that it's only River Trail.

[orpbmx]

Hey guys im on the Texas State cycling team and am coming to visit my girlfriend this weekend (12/3 - 12/5). Was planing on bringing the bikes, but i need to know where to ride. Is there any good mountain riding around the Waco area that would be easily accessible and not flooded? I have heard Cameron Park is great, but after that last post looks like that might not be going.Is there other trails besides River trail?? If someone could PM me some info or just post here soon that would be great. My name is Brandon Thanks!!!!!

[Speelunker]

The latest is that the trails near the river are flooded (water several feet over the bridges). This is due to water being released from Lake Waco...because of the heavy rains over the past few weeks.

The River Trail is a very easy beginner trail...but it is generally used to access the other trails in the park. In general the other trails NOT near the river are OK...but not great (loose leaf cover and very slick "green" covered limestone). You can access the "dry" trails...but the way to get there will depend on your skill level.

There should be some locals to ride with this weekend. I know there will be some trail building going on on Saturday morning...and in all likelyhood, some of those folks will be riding afterward.

[orpbmx]

Awesome, thanks alot. My girlfriend will be tagging along, so it should be interesting. I am lookig forward to checking out Cameron Park. Where is the best place to park? I will be coming from Colins Hall on 8th street. How many miles of trails are going to rideable this weekend? thanks for the help

[Wumpus]

You might want to check out the map(.pdf) (http://www.teamwbc.com/Maps/CameronPark.pdf).

There are suppose to be 16 miles of trail. You can't cover all of them without riding some trails twice. The river trail is about 2 miles of that.

Two warnings:

1) The trails are a maze. Best to try and hook and with someone for the first few rides or you might end up riding in circles.

2) Riding the park is essential doing hill repeats with some fun downhills in between. The trails aren't overly technical, but it is a demanding ride.

[orpbmx]

Awesome, Thanks for the advice and the good map. Ill be sure to have it with me saturday when we go. Where would be the best place to park since the river trail is flooded?? Any more useful hints would be greatly appreciated! thanks

[Speelunker]

I like to park at the Redwood Shelter...but then again I always access the trails via the River Trail. You can get to several of the trails from the "RS", or least have a base area that's easy to find when your done. Plus...you can always ride the paved roads to other areas of the park.

Another advantage of the Redwoods Shelter is that it's somewhat safer than other parking areas. It's near the entrance and there are usually a lot of people around. I always see some "shady" characters at some of the other parking areas.

What time are you guys planning to ride on Saturday? I can check to see who may be out there. Just shoot me a PM.

Wumpus...are you riding Cameron this weekend?

[Wumpus]

Wumpus...are you riding Cameron this weekend?


I'm going to try, but I have a cold so I don't know how long I'm going to last.

[Ride4Beer]

I'm going to try, but I have a cold so I don't know how long I'm going to last.
Assuming it dries, we will be down there next weekend if you're interested.

[orpbmx]

My girlfriend and I will probably get out there about noon on Saturday and stay till dark. If I can get out of here early enough tomorrow we might go for an evening ride just for the hell of it until dark. I will make sure I park at the Redwood Shelter. I would hate to come back to a broken into truck. Thanks for all the info. I drive a silver explorer sport trac and will be riding an 04 Kona Coiler Dee lux. If you see me say whats up ! hope to see yall out there - Brandon

[Ride4Beer]

A decent way to start from the redwood shelter is to head up the hill via the road on the west side of the shelter. Once you are up on top, there is an entrance to the trees on the right just past the house. This is Root Canal. Its how the NORBA Race started last year. Provides a nice warm up and cool downhill before you get hit with California 56 at the bottom. Enjoy.

[Speelunker]

I haven’t heard the latest from the Waco Parks folks...but I’m going out this afternoon to check it out. I’ll post when I get back.

There is a chance of rain this weekend...but right now it looks like the chances of heavy rain in Waco are slim for Saturday.

[Speelunker]

River Trail is basically not rideable past the Mouth of the Bosque...but in good condition up to that point. Bridge still has more than 2 feet of water over it and it’s just mud on the other side. Plus the huge boulders on the trail at Lovers Leap.

All of the trails that are accessible before Mouth of the Bosque and the interior trails are alright...but not great. For the most part the roots are fairly dry and not that bad. LOTS of DGR’s (everything is covered in green...even the hard packed soil and some roots). Add to that the leaf cover...and it’s a challenge in some spots...but still rideable.

[Ride4Beer]

What would it look like for Saturday morning? Any hope?

[Speelunker]

What would it look like for Saturday morning? Any hope?

It shouldn’t be that bad. The River Trail and MCC Loop were open this past weekend. There was still some mud on the bridges...but the park people were working on clearing the stuff from the trail (high priority since this is the most traveled area). They actually cut a little “technical” (for the River Trail) section into the rock slide.

The only things that were still bad....of course Rhino and the Mix Master. And the DGRs. I lost some of the trails under the leaf cover...which can be a bit interesting.

Less than an inch of rain yesterday and this week looks dry if we can make it through tomorrow with no rain. Only about a 20% of rain tomorrow night.

[Ride4Beer]

Welp, I guess we'll be there Sat morning. How are the trails off of Lover's Leap like Bat Cave, Thor, Slider, Ho Chi Minh, etc?

[Speelunker]

How are the trails off of Lover's Leap like Bat Cave, Thor, Slider, Ho Chi Minh, etc?

:eek:

I have no idea since I don’t have health insurance. ;)

The only one I have a clue about is the bottom of Slider...which was still muddy the last time I was out there.

By the way....Rhino goes bye bye...the “new” trail is going to bypass it and the “new” trail is going to be something special I hear. I think that a work day for that trail is scheduled for this coming Saturday, but I haven’t received official word.

[Wumpus]

By the way....Rhino goes bye bye...the “new” trail is going to bypass it and the “new” trail is going to be something special I hear. I think that a work day for that trail is scheduled for this coming Saturday, but I haven’t received official word.

Does that mean they are going to close hale bop and slider, too? Without rhino the only way to ride those would be down slider and up hale bop.

[Wumpus]

What would it look like for Saturday morning? Any hope?


I'm not going to be able to make it. I have to be home by 11am for the boys B-day party.

[Wumpus]

Welp, I guess we'll be there Sat morning. How are the trails off of Lover's Leap like Bat Cave, Thor, Slider, Ho Chi Minh, etc?

You might as well forget ho chi minh. There is going to be a huge mud puddle at the bottom. Might even be a creek right now.

The others should be fine. The drop on Thor might be really interesting now. :endo:

[Ride4Beer]

I'm not going to be able to make it. I have to be home by 11am for the boys B-day party.
No worries. Enjoy the party.

[Speelunker]

Does that mean they are going to close hale bop and slider, too? Without rhino the only way to ride those would be down slider and up hale bop.

Don't know about Slider...but Hale Bop is still good. From what I understand...the new trail runs from MCC to Cameron Park and the MCC Loop...intersecting at Hale Bop, if that makes sense. I'll try and find out the official "reroute". I think they are closing most of Rhino because of the falling trees and mud.

Also...I heard this weekend that Ho Chi Minh may be history.

[Ride4Beer]

Also...I heard this weekend that Ho Chi Minh may be history.

NO!!!!! :mad:

Losing Rhino is not a huge deal as long they leave a way to enjoy Hale Bop and Slider. When will they be implementing these changes on a permanent basis?

[Speelunker]

From what I understand (this is second hand info mind you), Ho Chi Minh and some of the other “double black diamond” areas are not ridden enough…and due to erosion and lack of upkeep, are becoming very hazardous. Don’t know when, or for sure, if it will really happen.

Rhino is definitely going to be closed.


When will they be implementing these changes on a permanent basis?

The timeline on the new trail is iffy right now. Originally…it was to be part of the race in March…so it was a high priority. But, from what I understand, plans fell through on the use of some of the facilities at MCC…so it may no longer need to be completed before race time.

By the way…this new trail is supposed to be something special. 12 foot log bridge over a deep “crevasse”…parts of the trail with drop offs on the sides of the trail so steep that if you fell…you could actually seriously injure yourself. It’s been described as something that will be unique in Texas…almost North Shore like.

[Wumpus]

From what I understand (this is second hand info mind you), Ho Chi Minh and some of the other “double black diamond” areas are not ridden enough…and due to erosion and lack of upkeep, are becoming very hazardous. Don’t know when, or for sure, if it will really happen.

Ok, that would suck. They are double black because they are on the more techincal side. They aren't any more dangerous than they have ever been. I would be happy to volunteer to maintain them.

Don't really care about ho chi minh, though. It doesn't connect up with the other trails very well.

Some of the easier trails(shyst and rio peprido[?]) have way worse problems with erosion than the blacks.

[Ride4Beer]

Ok, that would suck. They are double black because they are on the more techincal side. They aren't any more dangerous than they have ever been. I would be happy to volunteer to maintain them.

Don't really care about ho chi minh, though. It doesn't connect up with the other trails very well.

Some of the easier trails(shyst and rio peprido[?]) have way worse problems with erosion than the blacks.
Shit! I'll drive down from DFW to help you Chris.

Ho Chi Minh, while one of my favorites, is not near as dangerous as Thor, Skidmark, or Slider even. From what I remember, Rio Perdido has some of the worst errosion issues of any trail in the park, but that doesn't make the closure list.

Closing Rhino for a serious injury trail might not be the wisest thing. Hale Bop, while tough is very ridable for most folks. At least going down. When you get to the bottom it provides an easier way to connect folks to the River Trail. If you eliminate that you essentially keep "lesser" riders from enjoying that end of the park. That's a bad move imo.

[Speelunker]

Like I said...I don't know for sure about the double diamonds, didn't hear that from the Cameron Park people...but from some of the folks in the club who work on the trails.

I don't think the new trail will be all that technical or really dangerous...but more of "rush"...something different.

I haven't seen the new trail yet...but I am supposed to help with it this weekend. I'll try and get a map of the new trail and the routes...and post it ASAP.

[Wumpus]

I haven't seen the new trail yet...but I am supposed to help with it this weekend. I'll try and get a map of the new trail and the routes...and post it ASAP.

I've ridden about half(?) of it. It is a workout -- more of a xc trail, though. Some tight switchbacks up and down. I hope they are going to include some technical features.


Kevin, Since I can't make the workday(kiddos b-day party), could you ask the rangers about the blacks and maybe volunteering for their upkeep? Thanks


I would even lead a skills ride if people were interested in learning to ride them.

[Speelunker]

Kevin, Since I can't make the workday(kiddos b-day party), could you ask the rangers about the blacks and maybe volunteering for their upkeep? Thanks

Not a problem.

[Ride4Beer]

I've ridden about half(?) of it. It is a workout -- more of a xc trail, though. Some tight switchbacks up and down.

That means its gonna be pretty tough! :D

[loco]

What time is the workday??? Chris - can you send me an email??? I may come up and help and then ride. That may mean that I can't ride with the dallas folk, but I can volunteer you for the work on doubles. :D

[Wumpus]

What time is the workday??? Chris - can you send me an email??? I may come up and help and then ride. That may mean that I can't ride with the dallas folk, but I can volunteer you for the work on doubles. :D


Guess I should revive this thread (http://www.bikemojo.com/speak/showthread.php?p=424740#post424740).

[Wumpus]

That means its gonna be pretty tough! :D


I was riding the Banshee. :eek:

[Ride4Beer]

Guess I should revive this thread (http://www.bikemojo.com/speak/showthread.php?p=424740#post424740).
Given the location described in that thread, how's it gonna connect to the bottom of Hale Bop and Slider and then continue on around to the River?

[Wumpus]

Given the location described in that thread, how's it gonna connect to the bottom of Hale Bop and Slider and then continue on around to the River?

I'm going to wait and see. I just don't see a feasible option if they take out rhino. Highlander is suppose to run from the top of slider to the beginning of MCC trail unless they have changed their minds and decided to bring it back to the bottom of hale bop along the hillside by rhino.

One, would be to make some crazy switchback climb thing where slider is.

The second, would involve cutting trail somewhere from the bottom of Thor.

[Ride4Beer]

I'm glad you say that. I just couldn't picture how that was all going to work out. And cutting trail at the bottom of Thor? :eek: That just doesn't seem prudent.

[Speelunker]

OK...I just talked to someone who has been working on the new trail "Highlander". Highlander does start at the top of Slider, and will end up around the end of the MCC trail near the marina.

The closing of Rhino is not official...but has just been talked about. Thinking about it...it just doesn't make sense...because you would loose that bottom part of Hale Bop...which is a really nice trail. :confused:

Sorry about any misinformation. What I originally understood was that Highlander was to be a bypass...so that Rhino whould not have to be used when it gets bad...and it (Rhino) would eventually be phased out because of all the problems down there.

Again...the Ho Chi Minh thing is just talk.

Next time, I'll try and get the facts straight...but you know...it's the nature of the business that I'm in to just go with what you got ;)

[Wumpus]

Trails are in pretty good shape considering all the rain. Lots of leaves on the trails. Roots are dry; some DGRs. Ride with caution.

MCC-River Trail loop -- Muddy; do not ride.

Log Jump on Rhino -- Mud puddle in the landing zone; Creek is flowing.

Bat Cave -- Definetly rideable.

Thor -- Leaf covered and probably slick. Some big rocks in the drop. Not the time to try it for the first time.

River trail -- puddles here and there.

Mix Master -- Creek is flowing and wide. Runoff from Buzzard/Erect area.

[Speelunker]

I hate the f***ing DGR's. With the leaf cover...they can be a mother.

Like Wumpus said...MCC is way too muddy, but folks have been riding it...you can see the ruts. :mad:

Best trail (condition wise)for me today was Act of Faith. But every trail had the DGR's of course.

Good news...no rain through next week. With any luck this will be a DRY winter.

By the way...if the weatherman gets a new bike (just arrived today)...the Sun shines!!! :D

[Ride4Beer]

Thanks for the updates guys. We will be there on Saturday. Anyone is more than welcome to join us. Redwood Shelter at 9:00 am.

[Wumpus]

The trails are in great shape.

A little leaf cover and some DGRs.

Couple of water crossings: mix master and rhino.

[Wumpus]

Trails were great. The weather was great. Hope everbody gets to ride before the blue norther hits.

[Tinn-Can]

Before I left i rode some of the new trail... it made me very tired... thank you :) I guess I better get out the ole helmet and gloves and start riding the doubles again... we can't have those close down now can we? Loc-M-Ups you will submit once again... just you wait... Rhyno can't close.. that is like THE essential trail for the loops i like...

[Ride4Beer]

What are we looking like for Friday guys? I'm off from work and gonna try to head that way if it doesn't rain.

[Wumpus]

Be just fine if it doesn't rain.

[Ride4Beer]

It was perrrrrfect. Still a bit of water in the mixmaster and Rhino, but nothing to stop you from riding.

[Wumpus]

Large tree and greenbrair vines down on south Arroyo.

Need to cut a little stump out of the top switchback on Cali. Pretty sure it got me in the side when I went down. :endo:

Two good spills left me with bruises on my hip, thigh and shin. btw - 1.95 motoraptors suck in the traction department.


Still a bit of water in the mixmaster

Bypass by riding up lean-to (40 ft?) and taking the connector.

[Wumpus]

Raining.

[THop]

Think CP will be dry on Saturday if the rain stops?

[Wumpus]

Saturday is going to be pushing it. Forecast calls for clouds Thursday and Friday.

With the amount of fallen leaves and rain, I doubt it will be dry enough until Sunday.

[Wumpus]

It is sunny today, but it was still drippy this morning. No rain yesterday.

Sunday is going to be my guess for decent riding conditions.

[Wumpus]

Still pretty wet and all the clouds aren't helping.

I only walked the trail from the road to the mix master and up lean-to.

May be Monday or Tuesday before I ride.

[Wumpus]

It was pretty slick last night. Rain can't be helping.

[Ride4Beer]

Any chance for a Thursday morning ride if it doesn't rain anymore?

[Wumpus]

Depends on how much rain we get today.

It was rideable Saturday morning. Three days after last rain.

[Wumpus]

Lite mist last night, but I don't think it got through the trees.

Should be rideable tomorrow.

[Ride4Beer]

Thanks. I'm fighting a cold, so I'm gonna stay home and do work that needs to be done.

[Speelunker]

Trails were fine today. Same DGR's as always. Highlander had a few "mucky" spots..but overall OK.

The new "Rhino" has been cut...rode it today and it's lots of fun. Very beginner friendly for those that were concerned.

[Wumpus]

The new "Rhino" has been cut...rode it today and it's lots of fun. Very beginner friendly for those that were concerned.

Enough with these beginner friendly trails. We need more double blacks.

[Ride4Beer]

Enough with these beginner friendly trails. We need more double blacks.
:D

[Speelunker]

Enough with these beginner friendly trails. We need more double blacks.

I got a "Double Black" for you. Have you seen that drop off Highlander to MCC where MCC meets old Rhino?

And hey...at least the new "Rhino" is somewhat more "technical" than what was there before.

[Speelunker]

Trails were good today...still some isolated muddy spots.

Looks like it will stay warm and dry through the middle of the week.

[Wumpus]

Trails were great today.

The mix master is a mud pit.

River trail is tacky with a few mud holes.

[Wumpus]

Light mist during the night. Didn't penetrate the trees. Looks like some more rain on the way.

Trails were in great shape yesterday so a little rain won't do much but slicken up the DGRs.

[Wumpus]

No more rain today(Friday). The backyard is bone dry so I imagine the trails are still in great shape.

[loco]

No more rain today(Friday). The backyard is bone dry so I imagine the trails are still in great shape.
So, should we ride in the morning??? I put some gears on the Dean and was going to go to Dana Peak, but......

[Wumpus]

So, should we ride in the morning??? I put some gears on the Dean and was going to go to Dana Peak, but......

I can't. Susan is off to Dallas at 7:30 or so.

I might be able to ride around noon.

[Wumpus]

No rain overnight.

50% chance today.

[Wumpus]

Trails were in great shape last night.

Powerline hill looked like somebody had raked it for the race.



Got an inch and half of rain last night. Probably be Thursday evening at least before the trails should be ridden.

[Wumpus]

More rain last night.

[z0s01]

More rain last night.

I guess this means it won't be dry for the weekend?

[Wumpus]

If we don't get anymore rain, and it is sunny tomorrow.

Sat morning -- questionable

Sat afternoon -- maybe

Sunday -- probable

This excludes the new trails, highlander, rhino, and bottom of twin bridges, since the new dirt takes longer to dry.



I'll try to make it out tomorrow evening and hike some of highlander and post up conditions tomorrow night.

[Speelunker]

Sun is questionable for Friday. It should be partly cloudy...but the drying potential will be low.

Let's hope for sun and a dry weekend.

[z0s01]

Cool...I've got a fair number of people that wanted a tour this weekend, but I told them it's doubtful.

[Wumpus]

Definitely not looking good for this weekend:

Saturday
Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms in the morning...then occasional showers and slight chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs around 50. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.



Saturday Night
Cloudy. Showers likely and slight chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 30s. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.

[Speelunker]

Yesterday was fine. Some muddy spots. AVOID the Mixmaster.

Did not ride Highlander...but similar trails were rideable. Should be better today.

Good chance of mainly light rain :mad: for tomorrow...(Wednesday).

[Speelunker]

Today..pretty good. Rode the race course. Everything very ridable except for the mixmaster...but if you stay on the course...you avoid the worst part.

If it rains tomorrow...it will be at least Friday before it's decent again.

[Speelunker]

It's raining. Got called into work early.

So far only about .02" in the rain guage...but some heavier stuff is trying to push in from the west...but with some luck and by the way it's looking now, we may not get heavy rain.

[Wumpus]

It's raining. Got called into work early.

So far only about .02" in the rain guage...but some heavier stuff is trying to push in from the west...but with some luck and by the way it's looking now, we may not get heavy rain.

Looks like the weatherman blew that one. :D

[Speelunker]

Looks like the weatherman blew that one. :D

Weatherman never gets it right. ;)

It could have been worse. There were heavy thunderstorms out west, but by the time it got here it weakened.

With any luck...sunshine and a "High Drying" potential by tomorrow.

On a related note...there is some trouble with Little Colorado due to the water down there. I understand there is a reroute for the race. I rode it yesterday, but honestly, I was busy trying to dial in my new bike :) , and didn't notice the change.

[Wumpus]

Trails were pretty slick. The older trails were rideable. We stayed off of highlander -- looks like it is going to need some more time to dry.

[Wumpus]

Trails were great tonight.

Bunch of ribbons and branches blocking trails. Sucks coming around a corner in the dark and almost getting your head taken off. :mad:

[Speelunker]

Trails are really good. DGRs not as green. I was making climbs yesterday that I was never able to clear before.

Trails are a bit loose in some spots. A little rain might help.

[Wumpus]

Trails are almost to summer dry conditions. Looked like some areas of the trail have actually been groomed.

The reports of worms are greatly exaggerated. I only encountered a few on my ride.

Mix master is still a little mucky, but can be ridden around for the most part.

Watch out on Batcave as 'trail construction' (http://www.bikemojo.com/speak/showthread.php?t=40734) is going on.

There is a large rock at the bottom of Shyst where it connects to the river trail so be careful.

[Speelunker]

They took out the little wooden bench at the bottom of Shyst.

And...as I was driving home...worms were crawling all over the place. It's really hard to see were they stick and stay.

Wumpus...are you saying that the worms will get worse?

[Wumpus]

They took out the little wooden bench at the bottom of Shyst.

Yeah and today there was a huge rock in the trail.





And...as I was driving home...worms were crawling all over the place. It's really hard to see were they stick and stay.

Wumpus...are you saying that the worms will get worse?


See all the white dots.
http://www.bikemojo.com/photos/data/500/700HangingWorms.jpg

They were like that everywhere last year. I wasn't exaggerating that I would have to stop at the top and bottom of every climb to wipe off twenty or thirty worms. I almost quit riding for a while they were so bad. It was the worst year I have ever seen. If you stopped, it would sound like it was raining.

[Speelunker]

The trails were excellent today. The little bit of rain over the weekend really helped some of the loose stuff. The limestone (dgr’s) is not bad at all.

[Wumpus]

The rain missed us last night.

Trails should be great for the weekend.

Baylor is holding a race in the park on Sunday morning. They said they will be marking the course on Saturday.

[Wumpus]

There were a few worms today. Nothing bad.

Trails are pretty dry. The creeks/seeps are dried up.

[Wumpus]

What a ride.

We started off in the sun. Then the thunder started rumbling. Then big ole raindrops. Finished up just before the deluge. Had near whiteout conditions on the drive home. Then the sun was back as I pulled into the driveway.

Trials were pretty dry and the rain wasn't getting through much. Imagine they will be good to go tomorrow evening.

[Speelunker]

Trails were good today...the little bit of rain helped.

[snglespdr]

the rain helped a bit and the dust has settled for the time being, very little if any to no standing water on the trails.

[Wumpus]

The trails are dry.

http://www.farsideafrica.com/pics/morocco/desert/large/desert.jpg

[Wumpus]

The trails will be closed tomorrow(Sat 23) form 10 to 1ish for the duathlon.

[Wumpus]

Doesn't look like the trails even got wet in the last little rain.

[Tinn-Can]

Big tree across the end of little colorado

[Speelunker]

Big tree across the end of little colorado
No kidding. That thing is huge. I'm sure the park rangers know and it will be "chainsawed" soon.


The Thor-Babbler-Bat Cave area is covered thick in poison ivy.

Note: Drag Boat races this weekend on the Brazos. Don't know how this will effect traffic in Cameron Park.

[Daggaride]

Whoever might be up for a SS ride Mon or Tues (May 2nd, 3rd) suggest a good time to meet.

Rock out with your cog out

[loco]

Rock out with your cog out
Please tell me this is not serious. :eyebrow:

[Daggaride]

go ride a season in the abyss before you come to me with such tone.

BTW: SINGLE SPEED RIDE: MON-THURS around 11am If you need a different time we are flexible.

[loco]

go ride a season in the abyss before you come to me with such tone.
OMFG - you are serious.

[Daggaride]

I thought this was a riding forum, but hey I guess I need cool lessons first. can you help me?

[loco]

I thought this was a riding forum, but hey I guess I need cool lessons first. can you help me?
At this point, I am not entirely certain that I can. What I can do, is hope that I can make it up for an evening ride late next week.

[Daggaride]

Late next week; hmmmm... Friday after 5 or Thursday 4ish. Whichever is best shoot back then we'll rally.

Trail conditions are PRIME as of Saturday May 1st.

[Daggaride]

Spectators poaching the boat races slowed progress on the base trail today. The park is ready for about 10" of rain to pack it down but everything is rideable.

[Wumpus]

Snapped this pic of somebody riding last night.

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/950-13/dust-storm-3.jpg

[Wumpus]

Did anyone ride the trails today?

[loco]

Did anyone ride the trails today?
nope...

[Wumpus]

nope...

Riding tomorrow and Saturday morning. Call in sick and come ride. We have a bunch of new trails to explore.

[Tinn-Can]

I like trails... can I tag along Saturday morning?

[loco]

Riding tomorrow and Saturday morning. Call in sick and come ride. We have a bunch of new trails to explore.
In for Saturday. Out for tomorrow. I am taking off next Friday.

[loco]

I like trails... can I tag along Saturday morning?
Yes - we start at 10 or so.

[Wumpus]

I like trails... can I tag along Saturday morning?

We're old and slow, but anybody is welcome.

[Tinn-Can]

All i have left in town right now is my single speed, so slow sounds great :) Do you meet at redwood?

[Wumpus]

All i have left in town right now is my single speed, so slow sounds great :) Do you meet at redwood?

snglespdr kicks my ass on his SS all the time.

Redwood is the place.

[loco]

snglespdr kicks my ass on his SS all the time.

Redwood is the place.
You seen him lately???

[Wumpus]

Got a decent ride in.

Most of the trails don't even look like it rained.

Seems like a lot of rocks shifted on Batcave.

Ho chi minh was fun as always. Nothing like sliding down a hill on a layer of bamboo leaves. Mucky mud at the bottom still.

Watch for fallen trees. Removed one from the middle of Act of Faith.

[Wumpus]

All i have left in town right now is my single speed, so slow sounds great :) Do you meet at redwood?

Don't count on Loco being on time.

[Tinn-Can]

hehe good... it takes a while to get there from campus in less than 2::1

[Wumpus]

Don't count on Loco being on time.

Loco was late. I think Mr. Cann got in a lap before we arrived.

Good ride. Trails were in good shape.

[snglespdr]

hi there - been off the bike and the computer for a while. The trails at CP are nice and tacky with help from the little bit of rain that we had the other day- (0.62") at the house. Watch out for trees and other debris on the trail, other than that, the dirt is nice and the downhills are getting a bit choppy

[snglespdr]

rocks seemed a bit slippery on the backside and in the shaded areas (all of it)of CP today....getting a bit overgrown in spots

[Wumpus]

getting a bit overgrown in spots

Especially batcave and baseball.

[Wumpus]

The trails are still there.

Seemed to be a lot flying things last night, and they didn't taste very good.

The burrs are getting ripe.

[Wumpus]

It's a jungle out there.





There is a hole in the trail at the edge of the bridge at the bottom of lean-to that connects to baseball.

[Ride4Beer]

So whats it look like? Need some dirt and its a fricking swamp up here.

[Wumpus]

We got two inches of rain over the holiday and another inch of rain Wednesday morning. It is threatening to rain right now. I'm going to be riding the road most likely this weekend.

[Wumpus]

It is raining now.

[Daggaride]

The trails are in perfect condition wether you have one gear or nine. The rocks and roots are dry but the singletrack is tacky enough to let your tires do the work in the corners.

[Daggaride]

The trails continue to astound me, you can't pay for a better ride.

[Wumpus]

Well, I met two of these today. Both around the mixmaster. One was right by the sign post and the other right before the bridge at the bottom of lean-to -- you can tell him by the tread marks on his tail.

http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/sb_s.copperhead.jpg