new Manitou site...... [Archive]

fletch

12-01-2003, 05:18 PM

sure....it's great if you want a tank for a fork....same as the Dirt Jumper I that I have pretty much...

anyway....I dig the magnifier on their site....where you run the little square over the fork...and it magnifies the area within the little square...

the Inbred

12-01-2003, 05:38 PM

what is the weight on the DJ? i think the Z1 is something like 6.1lbs.

fletch

12-01-2003, 05:40 PM

5.8 lbs

cASe

12-01-2003, 06:22 PM

the break out is almost 1 lb lighter than the DJ1 and is capable of 6" or 4" but you may have to reclock it from time to time to get the travel adjustment to work if you ride it in 4" mode alot.

Harorider

12-01-2003, 06:23 PM

a 3 inch fork would be fine.

stiff and almost non existent travel is good for the street, djumpin, etc we're all doin... yall saw aaron chase and the boys bikes right? modified custom 3 inch etc forks... word

cASe

12-01-2003, 06:26 PM

the evil would have a really steep angle at 3". It is designed for a 4 to 6" fork.

servicedude

12-01-2003, 06:29 PM

IMHO: if you like spending lots of time/money repairing your fork get a manitou. if you don't plan on riding much, get a manitou. if you think suspension forks should contain motor oil, get a manitou. there are lots of reasons to get manitou suspension, but i've never heard any good ones. fox and marzocchi are the only ways to go. ask any shop mechanic in town.

Greg @ Buck's

servicedude

12-01-2003, 06:31 PM

oh yeah, Fox Forx Vanilla RLC125 = 4.25lbs of pure love.

Greg

Harorider

12-01-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Crash_Tested
the evil would have a really steep angle at 3". It is designed for a 4 to 6" fork.

i hear ya...steep aint necessarily bad ya know... not sure...it would probably mess up the geometry if its designed for 4-6 but steep is fast:D

fletch

12-01-2003, 06:40 PM

Greg...sometime I'd like to ride your evil so I can see how that fox feels...if you don't mind....

I know I keep saying this...but I am getting more and more used to the weight of the DJ1....my wrist strength is coming back....so I'm able to huck the tank around a bit w/o feeling like I'm doing damage to it....

-m a r k

the Inbred

12-01-2003, 06:41 PM

72* with 3". 71* without sag.

fletch

12-01-2003, 06:44 PM

ohh yeah...and Greg....can you tell me how the Vanilla RLC will feel compared to the Talas? Will the springs have a stiffer feel? compression dampening will have what effect again?

the Inbred

12-01-2003, 07:05 PM

i need stiffer springs.

servicedude

12-01-2003, 07:15 PM

another thing: fox forx come with full spring kits, the medium is installed and you get a light & stiff in the box.

fletch: yeah man, next time we all ride you can check it out. or just swing by the shop for a test ride.

you would have to compare a Talas RLC to the Vanilla RLC. both are available in R, RL, & RLC packages. I say spend the extra dough for the RLC. the low speed compression damping is a very nice feature. i'm 190lbs and run the medium spring with my low speed damping turned up. has a better feel and more responsive than stiff springs with no damping. plus you have bump-threshold on the RLC. you can ride locked out and dial in where you want the fork to open.
the talas will have progressive spring as most air forks do. coils are a linear spring. fox has done there best to make the talas have as close to a linear spring feel as possible. in other words, the more you compress an air spring, the harder the spring gets. coils are going to have the same spring rate all the way through the travel.
http://www.foxracingshox.com/website/TechnologyDesc.asp?Market=MBike&CategoryId=14&Id=13&count=6

Greg

servicedude

12-01-2003, 07:19 PM

sorry. compression damping controls the rate at which the fork compresses. so you get a nice fluid compression instead of a fast jerky motion, (see manitou's site, haha) sadly, manitou uses plastic compression and rebound control rods. they snap too often. most are broken before you even get to ride it. Fox really likes the use of CNC'd aluminum (another major reason they're expensive)

Greg

the Inbred

12-01-2003, 07:58 PM

the stiff springs that come with the Fox is too weak, in my opinion. even Josh opted for the yellow spring (or was it orange...can't remember)

Harorider

12-01-2003, 08:57 PM

mark...if you can get used to the weight of the dj, itd be nice and reliable for sure...

servicedude

12-01-2003, 09:15 PM

i'm still running the stock medium spring. no probs clearing any jumps and it doesn't seem to be slowing me down at all. ben is running a medium in his RL125 set for 80mm. I'm pretty sure he outjumps any of us. I've never understood why anyone would want your 'suspension' fork to be that stiff.

Greg

Harorider

12-01-2003, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by servicedude
i'm still running the stock medium spring. no probs clearing any jumps and it doesn't seem to be slowing me down at all. ben is running a medium in his RL125 set for 80mm. I'm pretty sure he outjumps any of us. I've never understood why anyone would want your 'suspension' fork to be that stiff.

Greg

dirt jumping needs no suspension...

servicedude

12-01-2003, 09:36 PM

heh. this is true.

Greg

Harorider

12-01-2003, 09:41 PM

brian schmidt's (4X) mechanic described his front fork as having "two blocks of wood and a garage spring in it"....in other words...basically locked out...

my DJumper was just switched to 4 inches from 5 with the stiffest springs...and im gonna air it out...im excited...

the Inbred

12-01-2003, 09:49 PM

i want like 4" of super stiff travel. i've got the stiffer of the springs (that come with the fork) in it and think it's too soft. plus, i really, really hate bob. my rigid XC bike has spoiled me.

toonces

12-01-2003, 09:54 PM

Oh yeah, Weaver: Did that 4" conversion bring the height of the fork down an inch or it just gets less travel now?

raceface2040

12-01-2003, 09:55 PM

god why dont all of u just get rigid forks???? Havnt had any trouble clearing and jumps with my sherman with its 5 inches of travels, i love my sherman, need to get it rebuilt though, it swallowed alotta mud at that dh race. do ur self a favor and get the breakout, what the evil is desighned for. and guys, making ur fork locked out isnt going to magicaly give u the ability to clear jumps, just work on getting some more balls:rolleyes:

the Inbred

12-01-2003, 09:56 PM

a rigid fork is in my future...

Harorider

12-01-2003, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by the Inbred
i want like 4" of super stiff travel. i've got the stiffer of the springs (that come with the fork) in it and think it's too soft. plus, i really, really hate bob. my rigid XC bike has spoiled me.

yours IS too soft...ive ridden it... that fork needs to be stiffer for sure...

Oh yeah, Weaver: Did that 4" conversion bring the height of the fork down an inch or it just gets less travel now?

james is in new zealand and he wouldnt give me my mtbike back till after i raced the grands cus he knew id ride it instead of my bmx... so i havent seen it...he said it lowered just a tad...not much at all... ill know on the 8th

Harorider

12-01-2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by raceface2040
god why dont all of u just get rigid forks???? Havnt had any trouble clearing and jumps with my sherman with its 5 inches of travels, i love my sherman, need to get it rebuilt though, it swallowed alotta mud at that dh race. do ur self a favor and get the breakout, what the evil is desighned for. and guys, making ur fork locked out isnt going to magicaly give u the ability to clear jumps, just work on getting some more balls:rolleyes:

ill show you som balls...ill lay them right on your chin:rolleyes:

i didnt say it would make you jump better...its just preferred... susp is for gayrods bizzle...:eek: :D

the Inbred

12-01-2003, 10:18 PM

now BJ, weren't you giving me shit earlier in the year when i was asking about the Karate Monkey fork and the axle-crown height?

my fork is in need of service, but i don't want to touch it till i get either heavier oil or stiffer springs.

raceface2040

12-01-2003, 10:21 PM

watch ya self foo! if ur getting a rigid, why not a bmx?????? and i like to have some travel for dh runs, and hucking, remember mtn bikes are all about versitility

Harorider

12-01-2003, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by the Inbred
now BJ, weren't you giving me shit earlier in the year when i was asking about the Karate Monkey fork and the axle-crown height?

my fork is in need of service, but i don't want to touch it till i get either heavier oil or stiffer springs.

what the fuck are you talking about?:confused:

the Inbred

12-01-2003, 10:52 PM

i think it was right after i converted to SS...i'll look when i get home. maybe i am wrong.

servicedude

12-01-2003, 11:18 PM

i'd stay away from the Karate Monkey fork. according to Surly it's designed for 2-9ers. the legs look kinda thin and ghey.
and i wouldn't run any heavier oil than the 7.5wt in a fox. i'm not sure if the shims are designed to handle any other weight. too heavy of an oil can bend shims, and fox forx rely on "shimmed damping control". I've seen this happen in other suspension forks. just lock the fork out if you don't want bob. locking out a fox won't jack it up like a manitou.

Greg

Harorider

12-01-2003, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by servicedude
i'd stay away from the Karate Monkey fork. according to Surly it's designed for 2-9ers. the legs look kinda thin and ghey.
and i wouldn't run any heavier oil than the 7.5wt in a fox. i'm not sure if the shims are designed to handle any other weight. too heavy of an oil can bend shims, and fox forx rely on "shimmed damping control". I've seen this happen in other suspension forks. just lock the fork out if you don't want bob. locking out a fox won't jack it up like a manitou.

Greg

ive ridden his "locked out"

its still looser than some of your mothers...:eek:

the Inbred

12-01-2003, 11:29 PM

Marshall Hance (www.endlessbikes.com) has been on a Karate Monkey for a while now with no issues. the axle-crown is the same is a 5" fork. that would be my only problem...maybe an Orange, i don't know. i haven't delved into suspension corrected rigid forks yet, too much.

and yeah, my Fox doesn't lock out too well right now. i need to fiddle with those 3 little pins on the rebound side 'cause that'll supposedly fix it.

Harorider

12-01-2003, 11:45 PM

yummmmm.....

http://www.endlessbikes.com/dirt/AAdarthip.jpg

the Inbred

12-02-2003, 12:20 AM

Marshall's bike:

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=852168

what it used to look like:

http://www.endlessbikes.com/built/endless_dc.jpg

'cept when he was down here, it had a Vanilla and a Rohloff on it.

Harorider

12-02-2003, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by the Inbred
Marshall's bike:

'cept when he was down here, it had a Vanilla and a Rohloff on it.

thats a bmx with 26 inch wheels:rolleyes:

the Inbred

12-02-2003, 12:29 AM

26/24, blowjob.

servicedude

12-02-2003, 12:29 AM

harorider: if i want any lip from you, i'll jingle my zipper.

inbred: i'm pretty sure that marshall is smoother than you or most of us jumping. he could probably throw a hi-ten fork on his rig and jump it fine. any of us would be making a trip to the ER. just about everyone on here (myself included) has probably gone way overboard on spec'in our bikes. we all like bike porn and bike candy too much. let's f'ing ride more and post less.

Greg

my last post...

the Inbred

12-02-2003, 12:32 AM

BJ's mom is smooth.

cASe

12-02-2003, 01:12 AM

I think those jumps were in seattle and are now leveled. :(

Greg

You have obviously seen some issues with Manipoo any of them related with the Sherman line?

the Inbred

12-02-2003, 01:32 AM

read any thread on RM regarding Sherman's and it'll probably be something like this:

everyone bashing
Weagle saying his is great
a few others saying they haven't had any problems
then a few more bashing

cASe

12-02-2003, 01:45 AM

thats kind of the picture I have been getting. I think there are just some loyal costumers to (marz/fox) that are doing all the bashing. I haven't seen any threads were someone actually owned one and was having probs. The ones that do own one have had nothing but praises. Now the 888, the jury is still out. I've seen lots of pics of broken drops on Fox Forxs.

the Inbred

12-02-2003, 01:54 AM

i've only see 2 broken tabs on Foxs, Bear's (i think?) and Marshall's. if i were to get a Sherman, i'd get a TA. i assume the Breakouts are all TAs?

cASe

12-02-2003, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by the Inbred
i've only see 2 broken tabs on Foxs, Bear's (i think?) and Marshall's. if i were to get a Sherman, i'd get a TA. i assume the Breakouts are all TAs?

I think only the flick comes in a QR. The lower end one. ya 20 is the only way to go. Damn I feel a upgrade coming on. Hopefully we will get a little proffit sharing check this quarter. But I'm not counting on it.:eyebrow: